Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:49 What Is Glenwood? Mission and Formation for Young Men
02:40 Mauricio’s Journey: From Peru to Canada
05:08 What Is Opus Dei? “God’s Work” Explained
07:16 Life Inside Glenwood: Programs, Mentorship & Community
10:01 Living at Glenwood: A Home for University Students
13:07 A Day in the Life: Formation, Study, and Brotherhood
15:19 Finding God in Ordinary Life: The Core Message
21:13 Real Impact: Stories of Transformation Through Faith
28:48 Challenges Facing Young Men Today
31:31 Forming Leaders: Virtue, Excellence, and Purpose
36:26 Beyond the Building: The True Mission of Opus Dei
37:24 Bringing Faith Anywhere: Living the Message in Daily Life
37:32 Can Opus Dei Gatherings Happen Outside Glenwood?
39:09 How Schools Can Partner with Opus Dei
40:32 The Critical Role of Teachers in Catholic Formation
42:00 Why Faith Must Be Woven Into Every Subject
45:18 Forming Students to Live Faith in the Real World
49:00 Leading by Example: Faith in Action at Catholic Schools
54:12 Outro
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In this episode of Catholic Education Matters, host Troy Van Vliet speaks with Mauricio Morales, director of Opus Dei’s Glenwood Centre in Vancouver, a vibrant character-building community for men focused on integrating faith into everyday life. Morales shares how Glenwood provides mentoring, spiritual direction, residence, and formation programs for high school students, university students, and professionals, all rooted in the vision of “sanctifying ordinary life” inspired by Saint Josemaría Escrivá. Through personal accompaniment, practical guidance, and strong community life, the Centre helps men grow in virtue, leadership, and purpose—especially amid modern cultural confusion about identity and masculinity. The conversation highlights the power of authentic friendship, mentorship, and living faith with intention, showing how small, consistent efforts toward excellence and integrity can transform lives and positively influence others in subtle but profound ways.
Transcript:
[00:00:01] Intro: Welcome to Catholic Education Matters, the podcast that celebrates the beauty of Catholic education, highlighting excellence in academics, athletics, and the transformative power of faith. Join us as we share the stories of those making a lasting impact on Catholic education. Let’s begin.
[00:00:26] Troy Van Vliet: Welcome to Catholic Education Matters, the podcast that celebrates the beauty of Catholic education, highlighting excellence in academics, athletics, and the transformative power of faith. Join us as we share the stories of those making a lasting impact on Catholic education. Let’s begin. Good day everyone and welcome again to Catholic Education Matters and today I am excited to have with us mister Mauricio Morales from Opus Dei and, more specifically Opus Dei at Glenwood or Glenwood at Opus Dei. You are a director there.
[00:00:43] Mauricio Morales: Correct.
[00:00:44] Troy Van Vliet: Okay. Well, I’m going to read out a little bit of the background of Glenwood and what it’s all about and then we can get into some great discussion.
[00:00:49] Mauricio Morales: Sounds great.
[00:00:50] Troy Van Vliet: Okay. Once again, thank you for coming. Glenwood is a character building actually center for young men located in the historic Shaughnessy neighborhood of Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It is dedicated to empowering young men to pursue personal excellence, generosity of spirit, strong responsibility and service to society. Who wouldn’t want that, right?
[00:01:14] At its core Glenwood provides a community oriented environment where participants can grow intellectually, socially, spiritually and professionally alongside peers and mentors. Glenward offers a range of programs tailored to different stages of young adulthood from high school and university programs to initiatives to for young professionals and summer activities designed to develop leadership, sound study habits and a balanced life of purpose. Across these offerings, benefit from mentoring presentations, community outreach and opportunities for reflection and discussion. In addition to its programmatic activities, Glenwood also features a residence for university students cultivating a home like atmosphere that combines serious study with community living, spiritual formation and service oriented engagement. Religion is not a requirement for participation though optional spiritual activities are available and are guided by principles inspired by the message of Saint Jose Maria Escriva and entrusted to the Catholic institution Opus Dei.
[00:02:28] All right. So this overarching umbrella of Opus Dei at Glenwood. Mhmm. Tell us a little bit Mauricio about actually, first of all, where are you from?
[00:02:40] Mauricio Morales: That’s a good one.
[00:02:41] Troy Van Vliet: I’m from Originally. Peru. So I was
[00:02:44] Mauricio Morales: and raised in Lima, the capital in Peru. Yes. And it is there that I met Opus Dei, that’s how I get to know about it. And also it’s there where I actually became part of Opus Ey.
[00:02:58] Troy Van Vliet: Okay. Super. And when did you come here?
[00:03:02] Mauricio Morales: Well, I moved to Toronto back in 2012. Was ’19. I moved there to study at the University of Toronto. So I just did my undergrad there, but already being part of Opus Dei also I lived in a center like Glenwood, but perhaps bigger
[00:03:21] Troy Van Vliet: in
[00:03:22] Mauricio Morales: Toronto.
[00:03:22] Troy Van Vliet: Yes. Alright. And then you moved to Vancouver when?
[00:03:26] Mauricio Morales: Actually, was very recent. I moved to Vancouver three years ago in 2022. Well, four years ago, I guess now. Yep. 2022.
[00:03:35] Troy Van Vliet: Uh-huh. Okay. Time flies.
[00:03:37] Mauricio Morales: It does.
[00:03:38] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. And you’ve gotten used to the rain? No. Well You’ve grown to the same?
[00:03:46] Mauricio Morales: I guess I’ve gotten used to it a little bit. Yeah. It’s funny because in Lima, actually, it’s a big city by the sea. Yep. And so, I love that smell of the sea, that, And you know, saltiness to also, it’s quite rainy as well in the winters for us.
[00:04:03] Although our winters are like 15 degrees Celsius.
[00:04:07] Troy Van Vliet: Yes, so it’s a
[00:04:07] Mauricio Morales: lot warmer.
[00:04:08] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Plus we were at eight degrees today on the way
[00:04:10] Mauricio Morales: it It is. Is It is quite nice
[00:04:12] Troy Van Vliet: today. Balmy eight degree.
[00:04:14] Mauricio Morales: So I guess I’m a bit used to it. Was not a big deal for me to be here and people were complaining about it’s always gray and it’s all like that. It’s okay.
[00:04:23] Troy Van Vliet: But when it’s not, it’s stunning. It’s the prettiest part of the world.
[00:04:26] Mauricio Morales: Even when rainy and you get to see the mountains there, it’s just beautiful.
[00:04:32] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. It’s a beautiful part of the world.
[00:04:33] Mauricio Morales: Yeah.
[00:04:34] Troy Van Vliet: So why leave Toronto and come here? Other than obvious reasons. Other
[00:04:40] Mauricio Morales: than the beauty? Yeah. Well, I was asked by Opus if if I would like to move to Vancouver and and help him here with the activities. Yep. And direct the house that we have here.
[00:04:52] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Oh, fantastic.
[00:04:53] Mauricio Morales: So I told him after after thinking about it a little bit because I was working already in Toronto there that I was willing to make the move and so Well, I
[00:05:04] Troy Van Vliet: welcome.
[00:05:04] Mauricio Morales: Well, thank you.
[00:05:05] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. To Vancouver and to Catholic Education Matters once again.
[00:05:08] Mauricio Morales: I know, I know. This is a good podcast.
[00:05:10] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Okay. Opus Day, getting back to that. For those of us that don’t know about it at all, or don’t know much about it, I know some, but maybe you can give us sort of a sort of an overarching view of what Opus Dei is all about.
[00:05:29] Mauricio Morales: So I guess Opus Dei as the name in Latin means it’s God’s work. And basically, it’s a place where we tell people that God is constantly working in us and through us, And that all that we do, all kinds of work in our lives needs to be done for Him because He’s interested in that and He’s actually part of that. And so we need to remember that all kinds of work, all the things that we do in our daily lives, actually need to be sanctified. So, being that, the vision, if you will, of Opus Se, you know, this idea of seeking God in the most ordinary circumstances of life, What we do, our mission is to, well, go and help all these people, these wonderful people with the tools, the support, the personal support that they need, so they can actually do that in their daily lives. Wow.
[00:06:34] Troy Van Vliet: And who doesn’t want that? That’s fantastic. So, so say once again for me and for everybody listening, what opus dei means, what does it translate into? God’s work. Opus.
[00:06:50] Mauricio Morales: Opus. Work. Yeah. God.
[00:06:52] Troy Van Vliet: Beautiful. Perfect. See, that’s something I didn’t know right off the bat.
[00:06:57] Mauricio Morales: Yeah, Latin is a bit rusty, guess.
[00:06:59] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. No, no. Yeah. Mine is. Yes, for sure.
[00:07:02] Okay. That’s, that is fantastic. Okay. Now, Opus Day has set up Glenwood. So there’s, there’s, in Shaughnessy, there’s an old mansion that has been transformed to sort of the Opus Day headquarters of Vancouver.
[00:07:16] Is that kind of right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then at Opus Day, the Opus Day headquarters there is Glenwood of which you are the director.
[00:07:25] Mauricio Morales: That’s right.
[00:07:26] Troy Van Vliet: Oh, tell us about Glenwood.
[00:07:28] Mauricio Morales: Well, it’s, we could say hyperactive Yes. Uh-huh. It’s a house with a lot of life. Like, you can walk in any evening and you’ll see during the week that there’s so much going on. As you mentioned at the beginning, there’s activities really for a different for all men at different stages of their lives.
[00:07:52] Young professionals who come together and they have maybe talks on Christian life, how is it they can sanctify their work, and they will get personal mentoring, spiritual direction. We have university students who also come around and they use the library that we have to study in silence, to work, and to also seek the same thing, spiritual direction and mentoring. We will have evenings of recollections, which it is basically a priest and a layman. The priest is giving some meditations, which is basically guided prayer. And the layman also will be there available to give some talks on how to maybe leave a particular virtue as a student.
[00:08:34] Troy Van Vliet: And that’s how often throughout the week or that you get the visitation that you get, say, a priest that comes to visit or what have you?
[00:08:41] Mauricio Morales: Well, as a matter of fact, we have our own priests living in the house in Perfect. So, yes. Plural? Like How more than
[00:08:52] Troy Van Vliet: many would you have there?
[00:08:53] Mauricio Morales: So, in Glenwood we are eight celibate members of Opus Dei, out of which three are priests.
[00:09:02] Troy Van Vliet: Oh, wow. Beautiful. How can you be so fortunate?
[00:09:06] Mauricio Morales: It is. We’re lucky. Yeah.
[00:09:08] Troy Van Vliet: In Yeah. God That’s incredible. That’s absolutely incredible. We would love to have just one full time at our school. So, that is great.
[00:09:16] And then now, so as part of Glenwood, are these young people that are there, is it all pretty much all young people or?
[00:09:24] Mauricio Morales: All of them. I want to say like old people, but you have, you know, people who are, you know, in their 40s, in their 50s, people who are retired, people who are
[00:09:34] Troy Van Vliet: grandparents.
[00:09:36] Mauricio Morales: And so, yeah.
[00:09:37] Troy Van Vliet: But Glenwood is for men?
[00:09:39] Mauricio Morales: For men. Okay. That’s right. There’s a sister center that has activities for ladies.
[00:09:45] Troy Van Vliet: Is that under the same roof or is that in another building?
[00:09:48] Mauricio Morales: It is a different building.
[00:09:49] Troy Van Vliet: It’s a different building? Yes. Okay. And is it in Shaughnessy as well
[00:09:52] Mauricio Morales: or no? It is here in Vancouver. It’s not too far away.
[00:09:54] Troy Van Vliet: Okay. In the same neighborhood though in Shaughnessy?
[00:09:57] Mauricio Morales: No.
[00:09:58] Troy Van Vliet: Okay. Got it.
[00:09:59] Mauricio Morales: But, nearby.
[00:10:01] Troy Van Vliet: Yep. Okay. That’s, that’s, that’s awesome. So the, now there’s residents there too, you had said.
[00:10:09] Mauricio Morales: Yes. So, being a big house, we’re likely to have a few spare bedrooms. And so, something that we have, I guess, in other centers of opposite is where possible. We opened the doors so that young people can also find a home away from home.
[00:10:31] Troy Van Vliet: And
[00:10:32] Mauricio Morales: these will typically be university students who want to find a place where they can excel in their studies, dedicate to their studies, but also with this idea of sanctifying their work.
[00:10:43] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.
[00:10:44] Mauricio Morales: One important component for us is that we want to welcome people who are not looking for a bed and breakfast, to be honest. I mean, for example, you can just go crash and go to campus and then disappear for the whole day. But people who also are looking for, as I said at the beginning, a home. And so they want to be part of a family of sorts, where they are welcomed by other residents, we gather once a day, at the end of the day and just talk about how was the day and how were things. And so that really makes a big difference.
[00:11:17] Troy Van Vliet: Wow. So, and how can you become one of the lucky ones to that live there?
[00:11:23] Mauricio Morales: You just go to the website and you can apply.
[00:11:27] Troy Van Vliet: You can apply there.
[00:11:28] Mauricio Morales: We will talk to you and see if you’re interested.
[00:11:33] Troy Van Vliet: See if there’s a fit. Is there a cost to it if you’re boarding?
[00:11:35] Mauricio Morales: Yeah, there’s a cost to it. So we discuss all those things. And I mean, we’ve been lucky for the last several years to just be always full house. So it’s great. And I think people always have a great time.
[00:11:48] Can I
[00:11:48] Troy Van Vliet: ask, can advertise what the cost is or does it vary or?
[00:11:52] Mauricio Morales: Well, it will vary, I guess, nowadays with inflation and all that. But at this particular moment, we’re asking for 1,400 a month.
[00:12:03] Troy Van Vliet: Right. And that includes room?
[00:12:04] Mauricio Morales: That includes room, all the meals, packed meals, laundry service.
[00:12:09] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Oh my goodness. That’s incredible. That is incredible. And wow, to have a son or a relative or whoever, a friend that actually can go into that and then be engulfed with, let’s call it the Holy Spirit.
[00:12:28] Mauricio Morales: It’s a great experience. Yes. They will benefit a lot. But also to be honest, for us, it’s also always a benefit as well because it’s always nice to meet these wonderful people. Most of the time we all already know them because perhaps they’ve been coming around for a while to the high school programs.
[00:12:45] And just to see them and hear them and see them make an effort to study, to take their studies seriously, work and offer that to God, and then contribute to our family life. It’s also a benefit to us and it’s a privilege and it’s always an honor to have these young people as part of the house.
[00:13:07] Troy Van Vliet: That’s great. That’s fantastic. So, and can you do kind of like a day in the life for us? What are some of the activities? What some the things that we do there?
[00:13:19] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. So, you know, being a house where, as I said, we have members of opposite who are celebrating living there. For example, myself, I have my day job, so I will just attend Mass at the house. And then
[00:13:34] Troy Van Vliet: What time would Mass be?
[00:13:36] Mauricio Morales: Seven in the morning. Seven in the morning, yeah. Great. And then have breakfast and go over and work at my day job. If I have to go to the office or if I have to work from home, I just carry on with my day.
[00:13:48] But then towards the afternoon, we’ll have people come into the house for activities. For example, we’ll have high school guys come in, let’s say, on a Friday after school is over, and they will be studying in the library. And if they want chat for a spiritual direction, the priest and myself and the other young people, celibate people will be available to help them. And then we’ll have presentations for these high school people. It could be a doctrine class, could be also perhaps subject of morality, some of the hot topic issues going on in society nowadays.
[00:14:27] They are aware of these things and they’re prepared. We’ll talk about also other issues going on in the world and how can perhaps a virtue help them develop their character. And of course, you know, these are young people, so we always have time for sports and pizza, and so they have always a great time as well.
[00:14:49] Troy Van Vliet: Great social.
[00:14:50] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. It’s a lot of social components Of course.
[00:14:53] Troy Van Vliet: So sports, what kind of, where, where would you do the sports?
[00:14:55] Mauricio Morales: Oh, we would just rent a gym and just go there, you know, bring a soccer ball, bring a basketball and, you know, have a fun time.
[00:15:01] Troy Van Vliet: Any connections with like Vancouver College or something, the local Catholic school or St. Pat’s or
[00:15:06] Mauricio Morales: Well, not necessarily. We just go with
[00:15:08] Troy Van Vliet: gym. Yeah.
[00:15:10] Mauricio Morales: In the gym. Whatever. Where is close and the price makes sense.
[00:15:12] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Yeah. It doesn’t have to be a godly place. You bring God wherever he goes.
[00:15:16] Mauricio Morales: Exactly. Yeah. That’s yeah. Well put. Yeah.
[00:15:19] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. I love it. Saint Jose Maria spoke often about finding God in ordinary life. How do you see this message transferring to the lives of families today, especially parents and students? So if Opus Dei is supposed to be bringing God into orderly life, how do you see that happening with what you’re doing?
[00:15:43] Mauricio Morales: Well, what we’re trying to do is kind of like coaching. Yep. Right? We are trying, more than anything, to help all these people who are taking care of their daily lives, to put the pieces together.
[00:16:00] Troy Van Vliet: Mhmm.
[00:16:00] Mauricio Morales: It’s like you have your studies, you have your social life, you have your faith, you have hobbies, and everything else that makes your life. And what we’re trying to do is trying to put the pieces together so that you see that, you know what, God is not just interested in your Sunday Mass or that particular act of piety, but He’s also interested in how you’re doing in your studies. Are you doing them honestly? Are you putting effort into those things? How are you doing in sports?
[00:16:28] Are you a sportsman?
[00:16:30] Troy Van Vliet: Are you
[00:16:30] Mauricio Morales: a good team player? Are you doing this for God’s glory? What about your hobbies? What about your life at home? And so we’re trying to put all the pieces together so they can have the big picture and realize that, hey, God is in all of these things.
[00:16:47] Troy Van Vliet: It’s in everything. And
[00:16:49] Mauricio Morales: it’s up to me both to discover this and also to bring God more to the forefront in And all of these they themselves do it. We’re just there to advise them, to listen to them, to coaching them, to support them. Because personally, actually, it was one of the things that attracted me to Apostate. As a young man, sometimes we just are carried away by the busyness of life. Busyness of life for a teenager is sports, trying to do the minimum that you have to do to do well
[00:17:24] Troy Van Vliet: in school.
[00:17:24] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. Then just have fun. Yeah. And for us, it’s like, well, I’m busy. Have a full day.
[00:17:30] But Yeah. But suddenly, there’s these people in Opus Dei who are busy themselves, professionals, and they are showing interest in you. In my case, I remember I went to a school that Opus A was involved in, and there was a particular teacher that became a mentor to me. And he was talking to me about all these things, like, you know, how you’re doing in your studies, how are things at home, how are doing with your friends. And that interest and the message that I can find God in all these things, it was so simple but also so, I guess, revolutionary, disarming also in its simplicity.
[00:18:13] Troy Van Vliet: And
[00:18:15] Mauricio Morales: the other thing was that personal support, that personal interest, that vote of confidence that, you know, me, a young guy, you you me that I can be a saint just by doing a bit better in this regard, doing a bit better in that other regard, that’s possible. It’s kind of like what Pope Francis says in Joy of the Gospel, right? It’s the next door saints. Something that, you know, sometimes we think of sanctity as something that is far away, unattainable, like it’s only for special people. And then we have these experts who are telling us, well, no, no, just need to do is just put more effort into this.
[00:18:58] Be more honest here. Be more diligent in this area. Offer it to God. And wow, it sounds so simple. It’s like, I have to try this.
[00:19:08] Yes. So that’s I think what we do in opposite day, right? We’re trying to tell these people, Hey, God is in all of these things. Let’s just be more aware of it.
[00:19:22] Troy Van Vliet: Let’s be aware it and a little more conscious and live our lives with intent. Exactly. In that way.
[00:19:27] Mauricio Morales: In that way.
[00:19:28] Troy Van Vliet: I love that, you know, the next door saints or the saints next door. Love that.
[00:19:34] Mauricio Morales: Well, it’s not me, it’s Pope Francis.
[00:19:36] Troy Van Vliet: Well, know, but you said it and I hadn’t heard it. I hadn’t heard that. I hadn’t heard as a quote from Pope Francis, but that those are beautiful words because in evangelizing, it’s not just how you say, it’s how you live your life. It’s how you live it out. Others will see that maybe not right away, but you know, Hey, I’ve gotten to know Mauricio and there’s something about him that just, that, you know, others gravitate to, right?
[00:20:07] And I don’t know why, but it might make them curious eventually. It’s like, well, what is, what makes Mauricio the way that he is? And if you start drilling down, you know, if a major percentage or all of it becomes from your faith. And then, if an organization like Opus Dei can help amplify your faith and help you to live it even in a more true sense, like that’s incredible. That’s very impactful.
[00:20:36] Mauricio Morales: It is. It is. And honestly, the fact that they are, it’s all about personal accompaniment. It’s it’s like whether you could say twenty four seven. We’re just walking with you because we gotta be patient with ourselves.
[00:20:52] Right? Right. Mean, the all these things sounds wonderful, but course it takes time. And we can get frustrated, know, sometimes it’s like, well, I tried to study well, but, you know, I was so tired, I became a bit lazy, I didn’t well, but, you know, don’t worry, it’s gonna be fine. So again, that support, that vote of confidence, it goes a long way.
[00:21:13] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. That’s awesome. You must have some examples. I’ll put you on the spot for this. You must have some examples of lives that you’ve seen that have been impacted by Glenwood.
[00:21:29] Just that you’re there, just the amount of, you know, men that have gone through there and that have been inspired and what have you, have you seen any real changes in people, in men that have come through? Have you seen how it’s impacted their lives?
[00:21:45] Mauricio Morales: Well, there’s yeah, there’s a lot of people that have come through through Glenwood and through the other centers that I’ve been in. Yeah. And it’s always wonderful to to see how their lives change. You know, I guess, I remember there was a student in universities, University of Toronto.
[00:22:05] Troy Van Vliet: Mhmm.
[00:22:06] Mauricio Morales: And he he was trying to live a Christian life, a Catholic life, and try to do well in his studies. He was trying to make friends. And he remembers a particular friend of his in class. Mhmm. He was I think he he was a student from China.
[00:22:29] He was an exchange student. And towards the end of the semester or the school year, he just started hanging out with this guy and they start talking. And this Chinese student tells this person, you know what, throughout this year, like, you know, I had a lot of, you know, great friends, you know, classmates, and it’s been wonderful. But there’s something about you. It’s like, you know, you’re always cheerful, and Mhmm.
[00:23:01] And you’re always, like, positive, and you’re always a good student. And I don’t know what it is. But you told me one time that that you were Catholic. And I don’t know, he was not baptized, he didn’t know anything about the faith. And so I don’t know what that is exactly.
[00:23:15] But but I guess that must be it. That must be the difference. This is why you are different from these these other people. Like, you know, they’re all great guys, but but there’s something special about you. I think that must be it.
[00:23:29] And and this guy was taken aback. So you’re like, you know, as you said, he was just trying to live his life. Yeah. And but that witness without really realizing it was making a difference in the life of this other student. And so he was very thankful for that.
[00:23:47] And I don’t know, I guess they stay in touch and God is surely acting in that person wherever that person is right now. But yeah, no, it’s little examples like that that you mentioned. Somebody is trying to live his life with intent, with purpose, and you are suddenly making a change.
[00:24:06] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Well, and ultimately if you’re living the faith, aren’t you a happier person?
[00:24:12] Mauricio Morales: Exactly.
[00:24:13] Troy Van Vliet: It’s going to show through, you know, it’s like, why is that person always happy? Why is that person always
[00:24:18] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. So reliable. You know, can lean on that guy because he’s such a True faithful friend. And this is so important because there’s a lot of people who There was an article I was reading a while ago and that article was saying that the greatest miracle that our Lord performed was being a man in his thirties with 12 close friends.
[00:24:42] Troy Van Vliet: Oh, yeah. There was just nothing like that. Isn’t that something?
[00:24:46] Mauricio Morales: Because it’s so true. I mean, friendship, it is so rare. Like genuine friendship is so rare nowadays. And I think that we need to help also all of us, Catholics, to be better at that. Yeah.
[00:24:58] I mean, at the end of the day, if we want the good of the other, what we have to offer is, of course, God. That’s the best thing that we can offer to other people.
[00:25:06] Troy Van Vliet: Try and be a good friend to a good friend.
[00:25:08] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. We don’t do anything strange, it’s just our ordinary lives. The Lord talks about eleven, know, that is there, just doing its thing. Nobody notices. So it’s the eleven on the door.
[00:25:21] Troy Van Vliet: So I would imagine in conversations, men must get together and talk about challenges that they’re having, whether it’s just a one on one off the cuff conversation, whatever challenges that they’re having in day to day experiences that, you know, they may be able to get some support from. How to handle it and how to approach it.
[00:25:41] Mauricio Morales: Exactly. They just want to have a second opinion on, you know, how you do this, how you do that. I mean, we have to respect a lot of the freedom of each of these people. Know, are the ones who are making the decision on how to tackle a particular problem, but they come for that. They come for that little bit of light to see how they can solve.
[00:25:59] Maybe he’s at work. They’re perhaps trying to be an honest worker, but they don’t know whether they should, I don’t know, bring something to the attention of their boss. Is that correct? Should I do it? Should I not?
[00:26:16] And, I don’t know, a friend goes there and talks to that person and says, well, in my opinion, maybe you
[00:26:24] Troy Van Vliet: should do this
[00:26:25] Mauricio Morales: or do that. But
[00:26:28] Troy Van Vliet: And is there a formal way of approaching that at Glenwood or is it just, they’re just conversations that come up organically that everybody shares, or is
[00:26:38] Mauricio Morales: it, are you? I guess it’s a bit of both, yeah.
[00:26:40] Troy Van Vliet: A bit of both? Yeah, a bit
[00:26:41] Mauricio Morales: of both. Like it could happen casually, you know, somebody just comes to Glenwood and says like, hey, can I talk to someone? Yeah. Yeah, sure. And we go, we sit down and we just talk about what’s going on.
[00:26:53] As part of these programs that we have, we do have specific time dedicated to mentoring. Yeah. So the students that come, for example, high school, university, they already come with this idea that the thing that I want there is this personal mentoring. They will make an appointment.
[00:27:14] Troy Van Vliet: Oh, okay.
[00:27:14] Mauricio Morales: So they will probably be in between 4PM and 8PM on a Thursday night, where they’re available for mentoring and they’ll make an appointment. I want to see you at 04:30, I want to see you at five, you know, can we talk about this? Know, I read the article that you gave me of the book and so I’m we’ll catch A Right.
[00:27:33] Troy Van Vliet: Question about it or whatever. Exactly. Yeah. That is awesome. That is great.
[00:27:37] And in today’s society, there’s not a lot of support for men. Yes. Formally, you know, they’re like in terms of, and there’s a lot of, wow, there’s a lot of young men that are questioning just kind of as they’re indoctrinated and with today’s ideologies that are being pumped out there, a of young men that are lost that don’t know what their role is in society because it hasn’t, they think they might kind of know it, but we’ve been told to question all of these things from the past, history in terms of what role men have in today’s society. So this is something like at Glenwood, it’s extremely, extremely needed. And are you seeing like an increase in numbers because of that?
[00:28:38] Are you seeing it growth? Are you seeing more men coming to you with needs like that? Like, it’s like, wow, I need some help. I need some direction in what I’m doing.
[00:28:48] Mauricio Morales: I definitely see some growth. I see a lot of young men coming to the activities. And sometimes the house feels a bit small. Yeah. And so that’s a great problem to
[00:29:00] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.
[00:29:02] Mauricio Morales: But I I think people are coming for, of course, a variety of reasons. Yeah. They some of them are already strong people in their faith, people who are living the faith through and through, but they want more. And so they see here, like I said, constant support. Some of the things that I see that is wonderful is how many of these young men, they invite their friends.
[00:29:28] So we don’t do a lot of marketing or advertisement. It’s Doing something right now. I guess so. Yeah. I guess it just happens organically that these people spread the word, they invite their friends, and their friends come.
[00:29:41] And it’s nice to see that they are, as you mentioned, they’re just looking for that place where other young men are with similar interests. And they’re all just struggling to live their lives in a genuine way, in ways that as you said, society sometimes makes it difficult for them.
[00:30:00] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. It’s confusing for men out there. Like I said, we’ve been told to question everything that we’ve known about being men. It used to be clear, like when I was younger, I think it was much clearer in terms of what roles men have.
[00:30:15] Mauricio Morales: And
[00:30:16] Troy Van Vliet: it’s not that it’s not, it has to be one way, but it’s just like, you know, men are usually this. This is what and now it’s like, you know, evil man. Yeah. The patriarchy, evil, you know, it’s all so, are so aware
[00:30:35] Mauricio Morales: of that so we try to, I guess
[00:30:39] Troy Van Vliet: Aware what? Of the
[00:30:40] Mauricio Morales: problem that men, young men are facing in terms of being told play a low key, you know, keep it, you know, don’t aspire to be a leader, don’t try to be a great professional, let other people do these things, you know, you’re toxic, you should just stay quiet.
[00:31:07] Troy Van Vliet: A masculinity
[00:31:08] Mauricio Morales: is Exactly. Such a when there is all these things like your identity really, you know, it’s whatever you want it to be. Yeah. You know, and maybe what you, what your identity should be, like being a man, it’s actually wrong. So, aware of that, I guess, we try to also adjust the programs, the talks, the presentations that we have, or the guest speakers that we have coming around.
[00:31:31] Troy Van Vliet: Right.
[00:31:33] Mauricio Morales: To remind these people that they should aspire to be leaders. Yeah. That they should not be apologetic about it. Yeah. That they should strive to develop their characters in a virtuous way.
[00:31:46] Yeah. That virtues actually are super important and super effective. Yeah. And that people will, without saying much, they will look at that and respect that. That they should try to also strive for excellence in their studies.
[00:32:03] And that should, of course, play fair. But really putting all the work there so that you can be if you wanna be a scientist, well be the best scientist that you can Right. If you wanna be a sports coach, well be the best sports coach that you can be. If you want to go into the trades, that’s great. Be the best carpenter or plumber that you can be.
[00:32:23] Medical doctor, just go for it. So we’re trying to encourage people to really maximize their potential. I think that there’s a lot of great people, great young men out there. And sometimes all they need is a notch, a board of confidence. There is somebody who is there and telling them like, you know, God actually wants you to develop that potential, to the max.
[00:32:48] You know, Saint Jean Paul II had that famous beautiful motto of Totus tus. Yes. I’m all yours. And so, referring to being all yours to Our Lady. Yes.
[00:33:01] But, that also meant, and I think he lived that, no? Such a great saint. Yes. That he was a great sportsman, a great intellectual. He had an inquiring mind and he would like to try to discover God in everything.
[00:33:16] He had a great sense of humor. He was an artist. He wrote beautifully. So, we want that for all these young men. It’s like, don’t just focus on a little thing, on an aspect of your life, no, focus on everything.
[00:33:28] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, you become a warped Exactly.
[00:33:31] Mauricio Morales: So God you know, the glory of God is a man who’s fully alive. Yeah. So, we want that for these young men. It’s like, let’s go. You have so much to offer to society.
[00:33:42] Troy Van Vliet: So
[00:33:42] Mauricio Morales: yeah, I think that people are in need of this.
[00:33:46] Troy Van Vliet: We have so many of those similar beliefs at our school at St. John Paul II Academy. And it’s, you know, when they leave school, when they leave high school, our kids go to universities, colleges all over different and get into trades, different vocations of all types. But it’s great to know that a place like Glenwood through Opus Dei is there for those that want to continue with that guidance.
[00:34:18] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. I mean, you guys are doing a great job. I mean, I know some of your students at St. Joe Paul’s Academy and they’re wonderful men.
[00:34:25] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Well, what a great thing for us to encourage our students to continue on their spiritual life through Opus Dei. You become what you surround yourself with most of the time. Yes. So, and if you’re surrounding yourself with, well, frankly, the secular world, which, you know, might not be godly in any way, shape or form, you’re going to find yourself falling into those traps and those temptations constantly.
[00:34:51] And it’s difficult in today’s world because you’re bombarded with it constantly. Yeah. Like, and if it’s not on a, it used to be when we were growing up, it was TV, you know, now it’s your phone, it’s your TV that’s with you twenty four hours, seven days a week where every waking moment you have a screen in front of your face that is either interrupting you or taking you in the wrong direction or giving you poor. Now it can also be used for great things. You know, there’s great information on there as well.
[00:35:19] But, yeah, to have that guidance after high school and through university and beyond, you’re totally intriguing me to get, you know, my mom and dad were introduced to Opus Dei a long time ago. They didn’t get involved with it for one reason or another, but they have many friends that are in Opus Dei. I know, well, Christina Estrada, their family.
[00:35:45] Mauricio Morales: Many, yeah, we were just discussing, you know, how we know all these families and what a small world it is.
[00:35:50] Troy Van Vliet: I believe we helped facilitate the new roof years back on the.
[00:35:53] Mauricio Morales: Oh, thank you very much.
[00:35:56] Troy Van Vliet: I do a whole lot, but I helped Christina get some connections there to get the roof done.
[00:36:01] Mauricio Morales: I guess we have to return the favor.
[00:36:03] Troy Van Vliet: There you go. I’m always happy to contribute in any way I can. So yeah, that’s great. So what else do we need to know about Glenwood? What else is it?
[00:36:14] Where do you see it going? Cause I mean, you’re saying like sometimes it feels like you’re full already. Yeah. How many men would be part of that organization? First of all, to start like now.
[00:36:26] Mauricio Morales: Yeah, but I think that one of the beauties of what we do in Opus Dei in Glenwood is that the message is applicable everywhere. And I guess it’s all about the message. It’s about people going out there into the world and just doing a lot of good. And just coming to Glenwood to get refueled a little bit and then off you go, back into the world. So, we certainly would welcome to have a bigger house or a second house or, you know, these But kind of is it extremely necessary?
[00:37:01] I think that more than that is just to keep telling people to come around, you know, go out there, keep doing a lot of good. You you could we could have these conversations at a coffee, you know, at the importance or Yeah. There at the parish or, you know, maybe just by the workplace. We, you know, that location, the building itself is really secondary. It’s really the message.
[00:37:24] And so we can do that anywhere. And that’s the beauty of it. I mean, just having all these people doing a lot of good.
[00:37:32] Troy Van Vliet: So are there any opus dei, let’s call them satellites in the Lower Mainland that are unofficially set up or anything like that, where gatherings may take place in the name of Opus Dei or where groups get together?
[00:37:47] Mauricio Morales: Well, guess, no, mean, we could say that any house for that matter then where
[00:37:54] Troy Van Vliet: Well, fair enough. That’s why I said unofficially So
[00:37:57] Mauricio Morales: any house for that matter that maybe, let’s say, you decide to have, oh well, let’s have a few friends over once a week or once a month. We’ll read something from San Jose Maria, one of his writings, and then comment on that. Then we’ll just discuss that. And maybe somebody from opposite might come and, you know, give us a bit of mentoring and, you know, that’s That could count, I guess, as a satellite.
[00:38:23] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Yeah. For
[00:38:24] Mauricio Morales: sure. And so there I don’t know. I I just I don’t think there’s a way for me to to to count.
[00:38:30] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Well, okay. Well, yeah, what I guess I just wanted to get out there was that Opus Dei isn’t just at Glenwood.
[00:38:37] Mauricio Morales: Exactly.
[00:38:38] Troy Van Vliet: Okay. There’s 77 parishes here in the Vancouver Archdiocese. And it doesn’t even necessarily need to be at those parishes. It could be, like you said, at somebody’s home, somebody’s So if somebody was inspired to do that, to have a gathering in the name of Opus Dei and maybe ask a speaker or one of the priests that are there to come in and facilitate something or a weekend or retreat. Let’s say for instance, we wanted to do something at our school, for that, that there’s possibilities there.
[00:39:09] Mauricio Morales: Oh yeah, there’s a lot of possibilities, you know, you contact me, contact us, then we’ll just go down to the details and say, oh yeah, when do you want to do this? When can we do this? Religibility, frequency, all of these things. It’s certainly very possible.
[00:39:26] Troy Van Vliet: Cause it’s, we’re fortunate that some of our students have become part of Opus Dei. It would be great if we had more and it would be great. And I think the way, and I believe though some of those students, they had already been introduced to it by their families. But if we could introduce it via the school, we could be casting a much wider net too, to get more people involved in God’s work.
[00:39:56] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It’s it sounds like something great and very possible. Yeah.
[00:40:04] I mean, not too far away. Yeah. I guess it depends on the traffic, but it’s not too far away.
[00:40:09] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, exactly. And we and, you know, if you have a if you have a big enough gathering, if there’s twenty, thirty, 50 people.
[00:40:16] Mauricio Morales: Even if it’s, you know, five, you know, it’s worth our while, I’m sure.
[00:40:20] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. If we were to have, I mean, cause it’s not just for the students, it can be for the parents as well. Some of the teachers Yeah. As
[00:40:32] Mauricio Morales: I think, no, no, you’re right. I think when it comes to Catholic education, the whole thing of the podcast, starting with the teachers, it’s so important to give them the support that they need. Because they’re doing a lot of work, a lot of good. And honestly, again, going back to my personal experience, it just meant a lot to have someone that was personally interested in how I was excelling in my work, in my everyday life. So when a teacher that, and I’m sure a lot of students look up to a particular teacher, Does that.
[00:41:13] You know, it just goes out of his way or her way to to show that that personal support, that personal interest. It’s great. And so to give the teachers the tools to be effective mentors, you know, just beyond the classroom, would be great. And being a Catholic school also, to ensure that they also have the tools to be good Catholic mentors, it’s gonna
[00:41:39] Troy Van Vliet: And to be able to defend their faith.
[00:41:42] Mauricio Morales: Exactly. Yeah. To actually give religion classes that are very demanding. Like, I think that sometimes we stick to the minimum of, you know, well, you believe in God, well, God is this. But, you know, religion classes should be way more demanding and complicated.
[00:42:00] Troy Van Vliet: Well, and what we are moving towards right now is, Catholic liberal education woven through all of our courses, not just religion.
[00:42:12] Mauricio Morales: That’s great.
[00:42:13] Troy Van Vliet: You know, it’s like playing a sport, you can’t just leave your religion on the, you know, on the sideline and then you run out into the field. You to have it in everything that you’re doing. And I think as young people, and I didn’t have this when I was, I went to St. Thomas More in Burnaby, great school, loved the fact that I went there. I value it more today than I did even when I was there.
[00:42:43] But we didn’t have Catholic liberal education. It wasn’t woven in everything there, you know, it was in religion class and it was with, you know, some of the rituals throughout the school or whatever. And we, you know, you’d have mass and things like that, but it wasn’t woven in through all the courses. And what’s really easy to creep in is, you know, belief in Darwinism and the theories of evolution and all that kind of stuff, which have basically been debunked now. And the fact that we didn’t evolve from a small plant cell or something like that, you know?
[00:43:22] Anyway, if that’s not woven into science class, into biology, into mathematics even, supports our Catholic faith.
[00:43:33] Mauricio Morales: It does.
[00:43:34] Troy Van Vliet: It doesn’t undermine it. Yeah. And, but it needs to be taught that way. People don’t know that. Yeah.
[00:43:39] You know, when people, when people, you know, when when an atheist will stand up and and God bless them, will stand up and say, well, no, I believe in science. That’s my Yeah.
[00:43:49] Mauricio Morales: They don’t know what they’re talking about.
[00:43:50] Troy Van Vliet: They don’t even given it, you know, it’s very convenient to say that because it, you know, they would believe then that that would just end the conversation right there. What I believe. I believe in science. Well, what do you mean by that? You know, where does that, where does that come?
[00:44:04] Where do we start? You know, how did human life begin? Where did the world begin?
[00:44:09] Mauricio Morales: What I did my universe believe in science, you You could say, well, as a scientist, isn’t that a bit of a contradiction in terms like, are you beyond belief? But if you do believe, then let’s talk about belief because
[00:44:21] Troy Van Vliet: and away it goes.
[00:44:21] Mauricio Morales: Which one is it? And so, yeah.
[00:44:23] Troy Van Vliet: So that’s where the Catholic liberal education where, and we have to get all our, we talked about why it led into this is because you’re talking about getting all, you know, you have to have your teachers on board, your leadership first, you know, you and have to have a leadership in your principal, vice principal, and then all of your teachers need to buy into that and understand slowly how that needs to be woven into their class on a day to day basis, in all topics. If introduction to trades, it is not difficult to do today to put lessons together because so much information is available online, you know, that you can just dive in and just say, okay, look, I need, we’re doing this in class today, and I need a spiritual reference to tie this together. That information is at two seconds away. Two seconds away, you know. So even if you know nothing about it, can come up with something quickly and just say, now I want everybody to think about this.
[00:45:18] We’re going be talking about this in class today. Remember this and this and this, we’re doing this in the spirit of this and this is how this ties together. And if it starts there, it’s not foreign when they get out in the real world. It’s not something that they have to come up with on their own because they were taught that way of thinking all the way through. What a more beautiful, there’s no more beautiful way of evangelizing when you’re getting people to see how their faith is tied into everything that they do on a day to day basis.
[00:45:47] Me included. I’m still learning every day as I go along.
[00:45:51] Mauricio Morales: It’s funny, so St. Jose Maria would tell us, the whole world, not just people in Opusae, that we need to be more contemplative in the middle of the world. To be able to detect anything really, the most ordinary thing, and then be inspired to pray. Yeah. To, you know, refer that back to God saying, well, thank you God for that, know, front of your creation.
[00:46:12] Troy Van Vliet: For gratitude, yeah.
[00:46:13] Mauricio Morales: Or how do you even, you know, thought about that, you know, design that, how But does that always connecting that back to God and he really, when it came to education, St. Jose Maria would encourage us to support a lot the teachers. Then in second place, the parents. And funny enough, in third place, the students. But he really saw that the order of things is that, you know, you got to support the teachers and then reach out to the parents.
[00:46:43] Yeah. And then the students will benefit as a consequence of all
[00:46:46] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, you do. With all of our students that come in, we can’t control what’s going on at home. Yeah. I have no idea. And sometimes there are great things going on at home.
[00:46:55] Super families that are coming in and sometimes these poor kids, they’re coming from broken homes and there’s no guidance at home. There’s little parenting, let alone guidance at home. We get some of those kids too, and we’re all God’s children. So we have to work with all of them. So sometimes we might be the only introduction that they’re getting to the faith.
[00:47:17] Well, and that can’t just be in a one hour religion class two or three times a week, you know, because where you’re trying to be forced to memorize things, you know, these are things that need to be engaged in all the way through to create, to, spark that curiosity and kids to want to learn more about it. Like, God is in everything!
[00:47:35] Mauricio Morales: Yeah.
[00:47:36] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah? Oh, yeah! God is in everything.
[00:47:38] Mauricio Morales: You know, it’s funny that, you know, are told that, you know, San Jose Maria again would say that we need to have the body of young children and the doctrine of theologians, some theologians.
[00:47:48] Troy Van Vliet: And,
[00:47:50] Mauricio Morales: you know, if the students, they see their teachers going into the chapel, because you guys have a chapel.
[00:47:58] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, have a beautiful chapel.
[00:48:00] Mauricio Morales: Going into the chapel and just, you know, genuflecting or putting on your knees and praying, they will say, Wow, my science teacher, you know, he prays. No, my math teacher, she prays. So, that means a lot to them. Yes. And it makes them think that this is something super ordinary.
[00:48:17] Troy Van Vliet: I couldn’t agree more.
[00:48:19] Mauricio Morales: And they will then be encouraged to do the same thing. To just, you know, make it a hobby. It’s something that we try to tell the guys when they come to Glenwood, because we also have a chapel. Yeah. Is that the first thing they need to do when they enter the house is go and greet our Lord.
[00:48:32] Yeah. And the last thing they do when they leave in the house is also go and say goodbye to the Lord. Yeah. You know, a simple thing. It’s like it takes a minute or less, but it just is there.
[00:48:42] It makes you realize the real presence of our Lord in the Eucharist. Yeah. Like, you know, God is in everything and so it doesn’t take you more than a few seconds.
[00:48:51] Troy Van Vliet: No, no. Just to be reminded, just to take that one second and have that and your day is going to be so much better. Just starting it with gratitude. Ending Yeah. It with gratitude.
[00:49:00] Some days it’s difficult to do, you know, as we are supposed to, put on our cross as we walk out the front of the door and trudge through our day. But doing it with gratitude is absolutely incredible. We are really fortunate to have, our principal who, like you were just talking about that leadership, that when they see this happening, our principal is somebody that right now we have two, sometimes three masses per week at which is awesome. So, and they’re before school starts, so everybody can attend that wants to attend. So we just started doing it.
[00:49:34] And thank you to Star of the Sea Parish and Father Augustine for quarterbacking that for us. It’s very generous. They’re very busy parish, big, very big parish, but he’s agreed to, he’s like, we need this at the school, everything to support the school. So we’ve got these masses happening, and our principal serves as altar boy at the mass.
[00:49:53] Mauricio Morales: Wonderful.
[00:49:54] Troy Van Vliet: Every morning. He’s the one in there, puts on all of his, and he’s the most reverend altar boy that you’ve ever seen or altar server, should call it. And, but somebody leading by example like him is just and our kids see it and our, and we’ve got non Catholic kids at our school as well that see this, are coming to Mass. Not because they have to, not because they’re being told to, this is before school and they’re showing up at Mass They’re just saying, I just, I want to be here, you know, and they want to even please their teachers and say, look, I’m listening, you know, I’m hearing what this is, I want to know more about what this is all about And that’s happening because of the examples that are being set by our principal first and then our staff and teachers, you know, there’s masks available. That’s an opportunity to go.
[00:50:49] You know, look at, wow, we can start our day by receiving the Eucharist. There’s nothing more beautiful than that. So I agree. It starts with our leadership and there’s a trickle down effect from there and we’re very, very fortunate that, I think word is out with our school right now is that we are keeping faith in the forefront. I mean, and that has to be so intentional, so intentional from leadership that, you know, when you fall back and I don’t, no, faith’s gotta be first.
[00:51:28] That has to be first. And this does not fit in with our faith, then we’re not doing it. And our teachers are aligned with that as well. We’ve got a lot of great teachers that are faith filled as well. And they’ve bought into what we’re doing there and they want to be a part of that growth.
[00:51:47] So hugely important. And if we could have Opus Dei be a part of it to actually take it to the next level, you know, like our kids are, they’re at our school for maximum five years and then they’re out, you know, on their own into a whole nother world and not all of them end up at St. Mark’s or Corpus Christi, you know, Corpus Christi or at, Catholic Pacific College at Trinity Western. They don’t all end up there. So we have to get them tooled up as best we possibly can.
[00:52:14] Mauricio Morales: Give them the tools so that wherever they go, as you said at the beginning, that they will bring God to these other places that, you know, might not be Catholic in name, but nevertheless, they’re going to do so much good in those places.
[00:52:27] Troy Van Vliet: And there will be, natural leaders, know, servant leadership is what we preach at our school all the time. You know, we want to turn out as many servant leaders as we possibly can. So that is awesome. Love it. Love what you’re doing.
[00:52:41] Keep doing it.
[00:52:42] Mauricio Morales: Well, thank you.
[00:52:43] Troy Van Vliet: And, it would be great to have, you or some of your people come to our school. I’m going to try and see what we can do to get that arranged just to you. Cause it just, it’s got to start somewhere and we’ve got some great kids right now that are already, you know, I think in grade 12, I think some, Charlie from the King family, I believe he’s already involved with those with the Opus Dei.
[00:53:04] Mauricio Morales: He’s
[00:53:04] Troy Van Vliet: a great leader in our school too, but, and if we can teach our alumni that Opus Day exists and that they should be a part of it and that they can then be mentors at St. John Paul Second Academy as well.
[00:53:19] Mauricio Morales: Yeah. Maybe some of your alumni, you know, could also go back
[00:53:22] Troy Van Vliet: and say look,
[00:53:24] Mauricio Morales: be mentors there.
[00:53:24] Troy Van Vliet: Yep, absolutely. That’s great. Well, Mauricio, thank you for coming.
[00:53:29] Mauricio Morales: My pleasure.
[00:53:30] Troy Van Vliet: And, thank you for telling us more about Opus Dei and what you’re doing there. Please keep up the good work and we’re going to try and send more kids your way.
[00:53:38] Mauricio Morales: Well, keep praying for us
[00:53:39] Troy Van Vliet: and will do.
[00:53:40] Mauricio Morales: I’m sure we’ll be praying for you.
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