Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction & Welcome
[00:01:00] Personal Journey & Background
[00:05:00] Catholic Formation Track
[00:07:56] Vision for Growth & Campus Expansion
[00:10:14] Trades & Faith Formation
[00:14:00] Virtuous Education
[00:17:43] Living the Faith on Campus
[00:27:00] Financial Accessibility
[00:31:00] Campus Culture & Community
[00:36:00] Founding Vision & Legacy
[00:39:30] Challenges in Secular Education
[00:45:00] Integration of Faith & Learning
[00:52:00] Student Transformations
[01:02:00] Conclusion

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Faith, growth, and transformation fuel Catholic Higher Education at Catholic Pacific College. This week, Troy Van Vliet sits down with Scott Roy, the acting president of Catholic Pacific College at Trinity Western University to explore his journey from trades to ministry and his passion for integrating Catholic formation within higher education. They delve into the innovative Catholic formation track, the humble beginnings of the campus, and visionary plans for expansion, all while emphasizing the critical role of living a faith-centered life. The discussion also highlights the challenges of balancing secular academic pressures with the nurturing of spiritual values, ultimately showcasing how a dedicated Catholic education can transform student lives and energize church growth.

Transcript:

[00:00:00] Troy Van Vliet: Welcome to Catholic Education Matters, the podcast that celebrates the beauty of Catholic education. Join us as we share the stories of those making a lasting impact on Catholic education. Let’s begin.

[00:00:18] Okay. Welcome everyone. Thank you for joining. I’m happy to have Scott Roy. Scott is the acting president of, uh, Catholic Pacific College at Trinity [00:00:30] Western University in Langley, British Columbia. 

[00:00:32] Scott A. Roy: Very happy to be here. 

[00:00:33] Troy Van Vliet: Scott, and we are happy that you’re here. Looking forward to, uh, to, uh, some conversation and, uh, getting to know a little bit more about you. 

[00:00:41] Scott A. Roy: Mm-hm.

[00:00:41] Troy Van Vliet: Also, Catholic Pacific College, where my daughter goes to school. 

[00:00:46] Scott A. Roy: Very happy to have her there, too. Looking forward to talking about it. 

[00:00:49] Troy Van Vliet: Yes, exactly. So, tell us a little bit about yourself. I’ve had the joy of having coffee with you and talking about CPC and what the long-term plans were. [00:01:00] But um, tell us a little bit more about your background.

[00:01:02] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, so I grew up in Port Coquitlam. So, I’m a local lower mainland boy here and uh, I married a woman I went to school with, Colleen Roy. And we were both 19, we started dating, we got married when we were 23. And we now have six beautiful children. 

[00:01:18] Love it. 

[00:01:18] And, uh, we live in Chilliwack. And my wife, uh, you may recognize her name, Colleen Roy, she used to write for the BC Catholic. And I’ve loved her articles. So many people have loved her articles. And, uh, sadly, in the middle of October, she [00:01:30] stopped, uh, writing for them, but I’m sure at some point in time, it’ll come out again. She’s very creative, very, um, uh, very thoughtful person. So, I’m looking forward to the next edition of what she writes. 

[00:01:41] Troy Van Vliet: Okay.

[00:01:41] Scott A. Roy: Um, we, having said that, we met in, uh, in high school and started dating around the age of 19. I actually grew up, uh, Protestant, so I wasn’t Catholic, and, um, I was in Bible college at the time and studying to become a pastor. 

[00:01:57] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm. 

[00:01:59] Scott A. Roy: And [00:02:00] Colleen and I had met each other in high school, but then outside of high school is when we started hanging out and get to know her. And man, I tell you, it was like, she was a wonderful, beautiful girl, but there’s one thing about her that was problematic and that was that she was Catholic. 

[00:02:14] And, um, so as I got to know her and, uh, and of course me wanting to be a pastor, we were talking faith. I wanted her to come, you know, come into my church and invite her to church all the time. But as she was articulating her faith more and more I started [00:02:30] not only to fall in love with her but fall in love with the catholic church. And it was meeting so many different, uh needs in my life that I was discovering as I was, you know diving into the scripture and into theology and that there were a number of questions that I had.

[00:02:45] And the last place I thought I was going to find them was in the catholic church. But lo and behold I fell in love with the church, and I came into the catholic church in I believe it was 99-2000, uh, so I’m still quite a young Catholic, [00:03:00] uh, from that time on.

[00:03:01] And what that did for me was it, uh, it sort of renovated my life in the sense that I was no longer going to be a pastor. And so, I had to figure things out. Um, my wife and I were married young, we were 23 years old when we got married. And so, I had to figure out where I fit in the Catholic church. Because I had, you know, previously I felt like I had this full time calling to ministry. And I didn’t quite know what that looked like in a Catholic context. 

[00:03:28] Hm. 

[00:03:28] So I actually went into trades, [00:03:30] I’m a ticketed fire sprinkler fitter. And I did that for close to a decade with a gentleman who had an outfit that was in my parish at the time. And, you know, as I was doing that, which is great work, there’s, you know, Great dignity in the work, but I still personally just felt like there was something that I was being called to. And I met Brett Powell from Catholic Christian Outreach, and, um, he would talk to us from time to time, uh, about joining staff and about this beautiful movement that they had. My wife and I [00:04:00] participated in a lot of the events that they were putting on.

[00:04:03] Um, and around 2008, I felt that’s that that is what God is leading me to do. So, uh, I put aside the tools and I went on campus, uh, to be a missionary at Simon Fraser University. I spent, uh, about four years there working with the, uh, young adults there. And it was, I had a lot of great experiences, a lot of formative experiences during that time. 

[00:04:27] But again, I felt that nudge that there was something [00:04:30] still that was missing. And that was to finish off my, uh, degree, which I had left, uh, when I became Catholic. And so, I, uh, I did an undergrad in theology through a Catholic institution. And then Um, I did a master’s through Christendom University in Virginia, um, master’s in theology. And that’s what led me to a strong desire to work locally here at, uh, Catholic Pacific College. And of course, previously it was, uh, Redeemer Pacific and in 2015 it changed its name. [00:05:00] So there’s a lot of people that are familiar with Redeemer Pacific College and, uh, and now are, uh, getting acquainted with it as Catholic Pacific College. And it was, uh, it’s an affiliate, uh, institution with Trinity Western University.

[00:05:14] Troy Van Vliet: Right.

[00:05:14] Scott A. Roy: And that’s how I was, you know, introduced to it. I started off. Um, my heart was to teach. I didn’t really ever expect to be in the admin, uh, administration for the college. Um, but there weren’t any positions available apart from, uh, admissions counselor. [00:05:30] So that was my introduction to the college. Um, around, uh, 2017 is when, when I started with them. 

[00:05:37] Troy Van Vliet: as an administrative Administration counselor? 

[00:05:39] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, an admissions counselor. A recruiter essentially. Recruiter for the college. Yeah. And being so small, you know, you just start to help out here and you help out there and you take on more tasks and, uh, um, yeah, so that was my, my introduction to, to Catholic Pacific College.

[00:05:55] Troy Van Vliet: That’s great. So, and it is it is a small school. you said that it’s, um, it’s, [00:06:00] tiny in comparison, um, to Trinity Western. 

[00:06:03] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:06:04] Troy Van Vliet: And, uh, so when kids go to school there, they take some classes at, uh, CPC. 

[00:06:09] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:06:09] Troy Van Vliet: And then because it’s basically on the campus of Trinity Western, they take the rest of the classes over there.

[00:06:14] Scott A. Roy: That’s right. All of our students are Trinity Western students. 

[00:06:18] Troy Van Vliet: Yep. 

[00:06:18] Scott A. Roy: Um, and Trinity Western being a liberal arts, uh, university, which means that, uh, they require, no matter which discipline, their students are in, um, so that they don’t become sort of narrowly focused [00:06:30] in their field, um, and have that breadth of knowledge, they require all of their students to take a liberal arts core. 

[00:06:35] Troy Van Vliet: Oh, OK.

[00:06:36] Scott A. Roy: And so, what Catholic Pacific did was proposed that Catholic students and really anybody who admires or wants to take the Catholic tradition or understand the Catholic tradition, um, can take an essentially a Catholic core. We call it the Catholic formation track. 

[00:06:53] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:06:53] Scott A. Roy: Um, and that’s kind of more so a technical, uh, term because there’s certain implications within the ministry of [00:07:00] education. 

[00:07:00] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:07:00] Scott A. Roy: And, uh, and so we couldn’t really call it a Catholic core, but that’s essentially what it is. So, students who are, uh, approaching their degree, no matter if they’re in science, business, whichever it is. They then get this core formation of around 15 or 16 courses, uh, that they can do most of that with our college and they get a really strong, robust, uh, education in the Catholic faith. 

[00:07:21] Troy Van Vliet: Right, right, right. Yeah, that’s, uh, I mean, I, actually I’m glad I’m learning about this right now too. My daughter’s going to school there and it’s like, oh. Okay, no, I didn’t know, I didn’t [00:07:30] know that. So, it is really small right now.

[00:07:32] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:07:32] Troy Van Vliet: As we already talked about. Um, you have a vision, you’d like to see that expand. 

[00:07:38] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. 

[00:07:38] Troy Van Vliet: Um, and, uh, so would I. Like, I think that would be a great thing, you know, having, uh, being part of championing a new Catholic high school, which is relatively in the area. It’s in the Fraser Valley, uh, as well. So, we’re connected. Um, we’re now a feeder school.

[00:07:56] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. I was just going to say that. 

[00:07:58] Troy Van Vliet: So, which is, 

[00:07:59] Scott A. Roy: Very Blessed to have you [00:08:00] guys as a feeder. 

[00:08:00] Troy Van Vliet: Uh, which is really exciting. Yeah. So, I hope to see it grow as well. 

[00:08:03] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:08:03] Troy Van Vliet: What are the plans? What are the hopes? What are the dreams right now, um, to expand the school? Because right now it’s really, it’s in a, it’s school. It’s like its old school in a little farmhouse.

[00:08:14] Scott A. Roy: Lovingly called, yeah, the Farmhouse.

[00:08:15] Troy Van Vliet: very charming. 

[00:08:16] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, and so just to give perspective, we have about, uh, three full time, uh, professors there, a couple sessional professors.

[00:08:25] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:08:25] Scott A. Roy: And around three-ish, uh, administrative [00:08:30] staff. So very small. And, you know, we all end up taking part in everything that goes on in the heart of the college. 

[00:08:35] Troy Van Vliet: Yep.

[00:08:35] Scott A. Roy: There’s, uh, we just had about 22 students join us. Uh, so in their first year. 

[00:08:41] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:08:42] Scott A. Roy: And, um, it brings our total of students that we deal with. Cause this is actually because our the main school is Trinity Western, it is actually kind of a difficult thing to track. But we have around 60 to 70 students that we work with that come to mass on campus, that take part in the student events that are run, [00:09:00] maybe volunteer at the college. And also, maybe take some elective courses with the college on top of the students who are in their second and third and fourth year of taking this formation track.

[00:09:12] Troy Van Vliet: Yes. 

[00:09:12] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, it makes up for a decent sizable student body. What we want to do is, and the vision, whether it’s 10 to 15 years from now, of course we always want things sooner than that. But is to grow that to 50 to 90 students coming in each year. 

[00:09:28] Troy Van Vliet: Hm.  

[00:09:28] Scott A. Roy: Um, and that puts us [00:09:30] anywhere between 250 to 350 students at any time. Well, you can’t fit those all into a farmhouse. 

[00:09:37] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:09:37] Scott A. Roy: And you know, this, uh, this farmhouse is, um, you know, it’s in need of repairing that constantly. So, the dream here is obviously to build a bigger school, um, one that accommodates, um, and you know, our, my, the professor that I work with there, he’s the academic dean at the college and we always talk about this.

[00:09:55] We don’t want to build something that, uh, you know, that’s just huge and sort [00:10:00] of, uh, um, empty, you know, most of the time. 

[00:10:02] Troy Van Vliet: Hm. 

[00:10:03] Scott A. Roy: Kind of want to be bursting at the seams. And the beautiful thing is that, uh, we’re seeing some real growth in the college. And, uh, and we are getting to that point where I think we will be bursting at the seams.

[00:10:14] And so, you know, we want to get a larger campus for this school. But I think there’s other things that, uh, that the college and the society and that can, can really further and that’s dreams about affecting other areas of education. One area that is really dear to my heart and because [00:10:30] of my experience in the trades is to maybe build, try and build a trade school where we can do some faith formation.

[00:10:36] I mean, there is a great need in all areas of the trades for guys who will show up to work, who believe in the dignity of work, um, and who have, uh, a goal to be working for, to see their work as meaningful and deep and meaningful and, uh, to do that in faith. I mean, that’s, uh, such a great need, I think, in our society today, and there’s a great need for trade [00:11:00] trades, period.

[00:11:00] Um, and I don’t, you know, that that’s something that I think has been neglected is seeing. Okay, well, there’s these guys in trades, but they also need that, uh, that faith formation and being able to see. 

[00:11:10] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:11:11] Scott A. Roy: Um, you know, their greater purpose in God’s plan for their lives. Um, there are in, uh, the states, there are multiple institutions like that starting out. 

[00:11:19] Troy Van Vliet: Hm.

[00:11:19] Scott A. Roy: Um, in Steubenville, there’s the St. Joseph the Worker Institution. So, I think it’s something that’s on people’s minds. 

[00:11:26] Troy Van Vliet: It is. 

[00:11:26] Scott A. Roy: And I think it’s a direction that we’re going for. And so, I, [00:11:30] it’s been a dream talk to a few people about this, uh, to maybe make this happen in our area. 

[00:11:36] Troy Van Vliet: We have, um, uh, in our school, it’s not going to be finished right now. We’re building the entire campus, but those are going to be some parts of the building that aren’t finished. And one of them is our, call it our trade school, call it a industrial design. And we want to bring that back into education. 

[00:11:54] Scott A. Roy: Awesome. 

[00:11:54] Troy Van Vliet: We want to bring that back into high school. And you’re right. I mean, it’s a dying breed. It’s funny. [00:12:00] You know, its people were almost, kids were almost shunned. 

[00:12:03] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:12:03] Troy Van Vliet: You know, stay away from trades, do, you know, computer tech. Not that there’s anything wrong with that or, you know. 

[00:12:09] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:12:09] Troy Van Vliet: But when it came to working with your hands and things like that, it was like something that, ah, that’s, ah, you don’t want to do that, that’s for the other people. 

[00:12:17] Scott A. Roy: And yeah, anecdotally, I think that, uh, a number of occasions, uh, because we have in our community events and that we have people from outside of the college people who aren’t necessarily students or even students of Trinity Western that come out and, you [00:12:30] know, you’ll go up and just trying to get to know some of the students there and ask them, uh, what do you do? 

[00:12:34] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:12:35] Scott A. Roy: You know, like, what are you studying? And I mean, that’s just sort of a common thing that you ask, you know, when you’re in a university event is what he’s studying, and you get kind of almost like a sheepish sort of response. I don’t mean that in a bad way. I just mean, you know, he’s conscious about, uh, about the fact that he’s in trades as opposed to. 

[00:12:52] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:12:52] Scott A. Roy: you know, being in the university because there seems to be that, you know, element of pride in that, in the university education where, like you [00:13:00] said, that you feel almost that, uh, um, that burden. 

[00:13:03] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, 

[00:13:04] Scott A. Roy: You know that you’re, oh, you, you went the lower route or something like that. 

[00:13:06] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:13:07] Scott A. Roy: And I always tell them, I say, awesome. You know, I’m a tradesman myself. I’m a ticketed pipe fitter. So, um, and the shock, there’s a little bit of a shock that, uh, that goes, oh, really? Okay. And we get to talking and it is great and it’s dignified and it, it’s important. 

[00:13:22] Troy Van Vliet: A lot of parents where I’ve been touring, uh, touring through the new campus while it’s under construction, you’ve been there. 

[00:13:28] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:13:28] Troy Van Vliet: And, um. 

[00:13:29] Scott A. Roy: Awesome [00:13:30] place. 

[00:13:30] Troy Van Vliet: The, uh, the trades room, I’ll stop and talk to them about that. And so many of them just light up when they’re like, oh, I’m so glad to hear that. You know, and, and kids today, um, they don’t even half of them don’t even know how to change a light bulb or how does a, what does a light switch actually do? Like, how does that work? You know, how does the plumbing in our house where, how does the heat work? 

[00:13:49] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:13:50] Troy Van Vliet: You know, it’s like, oh, something happened. I better call somebody, he’s not where you got to call somebody. You know, this won’t turn on, I got to call somebody. Um, where so many of it, so much of it can be done [00:14:00] yourself not that we all have to be do it yourselfers. But, um, the fact that we don’t even know the. basic basics, you know, how many kids don’t even know how to change a tire in a car like, I got a flat. What does that even mean? 

[00:14:12] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. 

[00:14:13] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Check the air pressure. There’s a lot of that out there, but the trades, we need trades people. 

[00:14:20] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:14:21] Troy Van Vliet: We’re literally importing trades people from other countries because we don’t have enough and they’re good paying jobs. And we need leaders [00:14:30] in the trades as well. 

[00:14:31] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. 

[00:14:31] Troy Van Vliet: So, 

[00:14:32] Scott A. Roy: yeah, and I think something that you were saying there just that that ability to do things to be able to see how things work, you know, on a basic level. And that speaks to I think something that’s important in education as a whole and there is a guy who wrote a forward for a book that I’m I love it’s called the book is called the risk of education and it’s by Father Luigi Giussani He is a priest and theologian. 

[00:14:56] Troy Van Vliet: I love the title. 

[00:14:57] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, and there’s 

[00:14:58] a great truth in there, too it [00:15:00] is risky business. 

[00:15:01] Especially if you do it, right and as education is supposed to be done. 

[00:15:06] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:15:07] Scott A. Roy: And just apart from the whole book being a great book and I was going to say Father Luigi is the founder of, um, Communion and Liberation, a Catholic international movement. 

[00:15:18] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:15:18] Scott A. Roy: Um, so it’s very, you know, he’s a renowned personality, uh, priest and theologian, and he had a lot of experience teaching high school, uh, in his former years in that. And so, there’s a lot of [00:15:30] experience and wisdom in this book. But the guy who did the forward to the book, he says he loves this book. He, the only thing he, rather than critiquing it or anything, he said, I wish I had written it. 

[00:15:40] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:15:40] Scott A. Roy: Um, but he says, he views education as moral training, moral formation. That’s kind of the lens through which he sees it, and I think that’s great. And he always brings about the idea of virtue. And the idea that we don’t have a strong moral compass in our society in our world today. 

[00:15:58] Troy Van Vliet: MmHmm. 

[00:15:58] Scott A. Roy: But he says the thing about [00:16:00] virtue is you can’t separate what you come to know from how you came to know it. And I think that’s an important lesson for our day in this. I actually would call it virtuous education. And I mean, all of education as a whole. But, uh, specifically, even a Catholic education, uh, is a virtuous education in the sense that virtue is about habituating your life, habituating yourself to do the good. Not just to do it, but to love it. 

[00:16:29] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:16:29] Scott A. Roy: And [00:16:30] become readily, uh, available to do it. Um, CS Lewis talked about virtue in the sense of a, he gives, it gives the example of a tennis player who trains and trains, uh, you know, to play tennis and their muscle memory and everything that they do forms to this game, this act of perfecting their tennis playing in that. Like if I went out and played you a game of tennis, I might win, but I would never in my life call myself a tennis player. 

[00:16:55] Troy Van Vliet: Hm.

[00:16:56] Scott A. Roy: You know, because the virtue of that is not in me, my body, my whole [00:17:00] being is not habituated towards that. 

[00:17:02] Troy Van Vliet: Right. 

[00:17:03] Scott A. Roy: And unfortunately what happens in our day, um, is knowledge, we get facts, we have these things, but our minds and our hearts and our whole lives are not formed, they’re not habituated to learning that and to really, uh, experiencing that in their lives. 

[00:17:18] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm. 

[00:17:19] Scott A. Roy: And that is something that Luigi Giussani and why it’s a risk, you know, you’re investing your entire being in this education and that’s both the learner and the educator. [00:17:30] Um, so it’s a very holistic, a very, um, you know, uh, formative, um, education. Something very different from if you look at our education system today. I don’t know that we could say that, right. 

[00:17:43] Troy Van Vliet: No. Well, so here’s a question. How, how well do you think CPC and Trinity Western does in that realm? Like, is it nailing it?

[00:17:52] Scott A. Roy: Well, I’m there for a reason. I love it. You know, I love this place. Yeah. I mean, obviously, um, obviously there’s always challenges. And [00:18:00] one, there’s challenges to, um, being with an evangelical university. 

[00:18:05] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:18:05] Scott A. Roy: So, we have different faith traditions. I think there’s a great, uh, a positive aspect to that. And there’s a great benefit to us in that our students who are there are near and rubbing up against and sharpening their swords and all those kinds of metaphors, um, getting to know a faith that’s similar, but there are some very distinct strong distinctions between the two. 

[00:18:26] Troy Van Vliet: MmHmm

[00:18:26] Scott A. Roy: And so, I think it’s a great benefit to them. They’re asked hard questions [00:18:30] and they’re able to give good full answers and they Are affected by them, and they get to affect the other, uh, the other students in the university. So, I would say with that standard, you know, Trinity is a Christian university. And so, they’re bringing to the table an incarnation.

[00:18:50] They’re bringing to the table Christ incarnated and infused into all their teachings. And I think that, uh, I’ve heard that from various disciplines, from science to even [00:19:00] computer programming and that they’re their courses in there. I know their staff are living the faith. I know many other stuff, especially in the admissions realm where I’m a little bit more acquainted. 

[00:19:09] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm. 

[00:19:10] Scott A. Roy: And these are people who are following Christ and living that out and that is an important aspect. When students are learning something in the classroom, it can’t just be in the classroom. You can’t just see it, um, taught here, and then, uh, and then something totally different, uh, lived out. Because [00:19:30] we’re in our very beings, intellectual beings, we’re relational beings, and we’re theological beings, created by God, and God has a purpose and a plan for our lives.

[00:19:43] And so we can’t divide ourselves as an intellectual being, we need to be seeking truth, and we can’t just look at it in the classroom and then see it lived completely different outside of the classroom. Uh, it, it’s jarring and we, because it’s [00:20:00] part of who we are, we will always be taught, we will always be educated and it really matters how you’re educated and what the, what is coming in.

[00:20:10] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:20:10] Scott A. Roy: So, you know, it’s like kids, they can spot a phony. If you go to church, um, only on Sundays and you’re the rest of your life revolves around something else. Maybe the rest of your life revolves around work or around sports or something like that, kids see that. 

[00:20:27] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:20:28] Scott A. Roy: And you don’t have to say [00:20:30] it. 

[00:20:30] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:20:30] Scott A. Roy: But you, and you can try and tell them, oh, this is very important that we go to mass on Sundays and then you forget about it the rest of the week, that’s the hard part. 

[00:20:39] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:20:39] Scott A. Roy: They will learn and there’s because we are that in our very being we’re always learning things .So that’s something that  Giussani really father  Luigi Giussani really presses is that it needs to be a lived experience that you can’t just be learning facts, but you have to be following. 

[00:20:56] And so, you know shifting over to CPC and [00:21:00] how do , well, I mean, I don’t know how many institutions that you can work for, and maybe you can say it for yourself, but I know that everybody on our staff and our faculty is seeking to follow Christ and to live the way of the cross. And I can’t speak I believe I could speak for all of my staff and faculty. 

[00:21:19] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:21:19] Scott A. Roy: All of the students there every student that I know there is following their faith. I see so many students, my family goes to adoration at St. James [00:21:30] every Thursday night at 7pm. 

[00:21:31] Okay.

[00:21:31] Not every but you know, most, we try to go to every. And I always see CPC students there. 

[00:21:36] Troy Van Vliet: Oh wow. 

[00:21:37] Scott A. Roy: So, here’s a group of students who have given up a Thursday night. 

[00:21:40] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:21:40] Scott A. Roy: Uh, to go and just be with our Lord, you know, outside of, uh, of Sunday mass and that kind of thing. So, this is, uh, this is something that I think is indicative. You will know the tree by its fruit. And so, you have this institution that is not just saying something in the classroom. But you see [00:22:00] the president of the college at adoration, you get invited over to Professor Henderson’s house for dinner, 

[00:22:05] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:22:06] Scott A. Roy: You get to see a Catholic family lived living out that faith in that. So, 

[00:22:10] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm. 

[00:22:11] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, I mean, I really believe that we’re not perfect, obviously. Um, but, uh, I really love what happens at the college and we really want to see more of that. We want to integrate more of that into, uh, into the education of the students. I mean, and I’ll just say one more thing before I let you, uh, have it.

[00:22:27] Troy Van Vliet: No, no, you, 

[00:22:27] Scott A. Roy: at the heart of our [00:22:30] college. Uh, physically right now in this small little house, we have a little chapel. 

[00:22:35] Troy Van Vliet: Yes.

[00:22:35] Scott A. Roy: And, uh, there’s 24, 24, seven adoration there. So, students can go in there, staff can go in there and pray. And every, um, every day, 11 o’clock, uh, Monday through Thursday, we have a holy mass there and, uh, and students come and just have that opportunity to physically see integrated into their day, uh, the sacramental world sort of penetrating in and seeing, [00:23:00] uh, the importance of that physically in the building, but also in the day and in the week, uh, lived.

[00:23:05] So we have this. And then, of course, once they move outside of the. Um, academics in the classroom, they have this Catholic community, not just the faculty and staff, but other Catholics who are there supporting them. And, uh, you know, having the same kind of experience that they’re in challenges that they’re having.

[00:23:22] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Yeah. That’s awesome. And did you say every day there’s mass? 

[00:23:26] Scott A. Roy: Monday through Thursday,

[00:23:27] Troy Van Vliet: Monday through 

[00:23:28] Scott A. Roy: Friday, although Trinity Western’s a little [00:23:30] quiet on Friday, they have a few classes, but they don’t have their typical schedule. It’s like Monday and Wednesday classes and Tuesday and Thursday classes. So, we capitalize on that during chapel time, 

[00:23:39] Troy Van Vliet: so, and when I did visit there, I saw Father Donnelly was there to say Mass. 

[00:23:43] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:23:43] Troy Van Vliet: Is it him always, or is it? 

[00:23:45] Scott A. Roy: Okay. So, Father Donnelly is our, uh, and he’s pastor of Sts. Joachim & Ann, so, he’s got a bigger responsibility outside of that. But he loves the college. He’s been a great supporter of the college since he was at St. Joseph’s in Langley. 

[00:23:57] Troy Van Vliet: Hm. 

[00:23:57] Scott A. Roy: And yeah, he says Mass from Monday to [00:24:00] Wednesday. Um, and on Thursday, we have Father Nixon come over from the local, uh, St. Nicholas Parish. Um, but Father, Donnelly is the chaplain. 

[00:24:09] Troy Van Vliet: That’s fantastic. 

[00:24:10] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:24:11] Troy Van Vliet: So, the significant you touched on that already in terms of the core that you’ve got working there you said they all practice and live their faith.

[00:24:20] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:24:21] Troy Van Vliet: That’s important. That’s hugely important. 

[00:24:23] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. Can you imagine going to this school? being taught all the you know, these things about [00:24:30] being Christ, you know from the core of your being at your baptism. 

[00:24:35] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:24:35] Scott A. Roy: And how this influences the way you view the world and everything that you see in the world. 

[00:24:39] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:24:40] Scott A. Roy: And then the people that are there don’t even follow that how jarring that is to the system. And it you know whether you yourself follow that road or not, you certainly have that inclination to. 

[00:24:55] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:24:55] Scott A. Roy: You certainly have that witness that experience that’s going. But they seem like a decent [00:25:00] person and you know all that kind of thing so.

[00:25:02] Troy Van Vliet: Yes.

[00:25:02] Scott A. Roy: I think it’s dangerous is what it amounts to the spiritual life to see this Dichotomy within a person. And I’m not suggesting that everybody is perfect. I’ll start with myself Certainly not a saint. 

[00:25:15] Troy Van Vliet: No, but there are some boxes. 

[00:25:17] that need to be checked though.

[00:25:17] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, yeah.

[00:25:18] Troy Van Vliet: You know and in order to be convincing you need to be convinced yourself. 

[00:25:21] Scott A. Roy: That’s right. And I was Just to steal from you, from your interview with Archbishop Miller. 

[00:25:27] Troy Van Vliet: Uh huh.

[00:25:28] Scott A. Roy: You can’t sell what [00:25:30] you haven’t bought.

[00:25:30] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:25:30] Scott A. Roy: Right?

[00:25:31] Troy Van Vliet: Exactly. 

[00:25:31] Scott A. Roy: And that’s the way it is. 

[00:25:32] Troy Van Vliet: No, it’s true, it’s true. Um, it’s something I had learned that in sales 101 too. And if you’re going to sell a product, you should really own that product. 

[00:25:40] Scott A. Roy: That’s right. 

[00:25:41] Troy Van Vliet: Because if you don’t yeah, you’re going to have a heck of a time pitching it, you know?

[00:25:45] So, and it’s the same thing when you’re getting feedback from a customer student saying, so how? And the student was to say, and I’m not an educator but, uh, the student was to say, well, how did, how does it, how do you do that in your family? And it’s like, well, we don’t do that. 

[00:25:58] Scott A. Roy: That’s right.

[00:25:59] Troy Van Vliet: But you know, [00:26:00] it’s like, well, what the heck are you pitching?

[00:26:02] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:26:03] Troy Van Vliet: So, um, and yes, we all have challenges. We’re all struggling to stay on the right road. We’re all searching. 

[00:26:09] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:26:10] Troy Van Vliet: You know, it’s just in this life journey, you know, to all trying to figure this out. But yeah, it’s really. 

[00:26:17] Scott A. Roy: But you’re given grace, and you have to walk with it you have to follow that grace. 

[00:26:21] Troy Van Vliet: Wow, those are such true words.

[00:26:23] Scott A. Roy: Yeah.

[00:26:23] Troy Van Vliet: Oh, my goodness. Now, school’s not free It’s a private school. It’s a private university. 

[00:26:29] Scott A. Roy: [00:26:30] It is. 

[00:26:30] Troy Van Vliet: Probably one of the most expensive in the lower mainland, I would think. 

[00:26:34] Scott A. Roy: I believe so. Yeah. I haven’t done a whole lot of comparison in the lower mainland, but I mean, I think that it’s easy. 

[00:26:41] Troy Van Vliet: It’s probably safe to say it’s up there anyway.

[00:26:42] Scott A. Roy: Most of our institutions are government subsidized. So, you know, you get your six- or seven-thousand-dollar tuition at, uh, probably the most of the universities here. And which is 22,000 at Trinity Western, right? Um, [00:27:00] one, I’ll say it’s worth the investment. 

[00:27:02] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:27:02] Scott A. Roy: Um, two, I would say, um, Trinity Western is amazing with their financial aid. So, they really believe in what they do. 

[00:27:11] Troy Van Vliet: Hm. 

[00:27:11] Scott A. Roy: And they do a whole lot of fundraising to be able to lower that ceiling and bring it down to a manageable. rate So that’s the I just want to. 

[00:27:20] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:27:20] Scott A. Roy: You know, say that it’s the highest compliments to their ability to financial aid with the students. Um, and especially, you know, you work hard, you [00:27:30] can do it. And then, of course, there’s some students that will go the route of, uh, BC student aid and that kind of thing to bring that down even lower. A lot of our students work during the summers and that to afford and they all can do it, they all, you know, are able to do it. We don’t just have elite rich people that, you know, that go to the university, which is kind of the perception that people have is that it’s only rich people can afford to go there, right?

[00:27:53] Troy Van Vliet: We’re living that right now. 

[00:27:55] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:27:55] Troy Van Vliet: At our, at the SJP 2. 

[00:27:57] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:27:58] Troy Van Vliet: Um, it’s tough. 

[00:27:59] Scott A. Roy: I love that. I [00:28:00] love that about SJP 2. And from what I understand that you want to have it so that anybody that desires to have that Catholic education is able to do it and I have the same Heart for our college. We’re not quite there yet I can’t make that promise yet but that is definitely what some of our fundraising goals are meant to do is to provide bursaries and Scholarships and that kind of thing. So that we don’t ever have to say we’ve had to say to a few students who had us as their number one or I shouldn’t say we’ve had to say to them, they’ve had to say to [00:28:30] us. The Trinity CPC is their number one choice, but they just Can’t afford to do it. Um, according to what their plans are. 

[00:28:38] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:28:38] Scott A. Roy: Because some people don’t want to take on the, um, student aid and that kind of thing. 

[00:28:42] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:28:42] Scott A. Roy: Which is fair enough. 

[00:28:43] Troy Van Vliet: Hm. 

[00:28:44] Scott A. Roy: Um, but I just, I want to be able to say to them, come and be well formed. Um, you know, the degree at Trinity Western is accredited and it’s good across North America. 

[00:28:53] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:28:54] Scott A. Roy: You know, this is not just an elite, uh, independent university where it doesn’t really work anywhere else. 

[00:28:59] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:28:59] Scott A. Roy: [00:29:00] It’s, uh, their nursing programs, highly respected. Their education programs, highly respected. Um, I could think of nothing better. What I’d love to be able to do is to work it so that, yeah, a number of our Catholic teachers come through and I know that our principals, uh, in, uh, Vancouver love to have, uh, teachers who have come from Trinity Western and, uh, Catholic Pacific College, um, they’re just so well formed.

[00:29:25] And honestly, you could have any one of those teachers go in there. And, uh, [00:29:30] and do a, an amazing job teaching religion in their school. So, and I’d love to just see more and more of that, uh, happen. 

[00:29:37] Troy Van Vliet: Well, we had, I’ve had, uh, some of my nephews and a niece go through there and now my daughter going through there. 

[00:29:44] Scott A. Roy: Exactly.

[00:29:44] Troy Van Vliet: And of course, my sister-in-law, my brother’s wife, uh, she worked there for many years as well. 

[00:29:49] Scott A. Roy: Yes. 

[00:29:50] Troy Van Vliet: Um, and, um. So far, they’re all good kids that came out. 

[00:29:54] Scott A. Roy: They certainly are there. I would go as far as say those are amazing kids. You’ve got an amazing family, uh a [00:30:00] blessing on the college itself, you know, your families have been. And I mean two of my boys, uh are going through have been through the college and are going through the college right now. So, I trust them with my own children. 

[00:30:10] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. So, uh, that’s good. Well, they’re that’s buying what you’re selling. 

[00:30:13] Scott A. Roy: That’s right 

[00:30:14] Troy Van Vliet: Exactly. So that’s fantastic. Well, um, so you have big aspirations to try and get, uh, a new facility built there. 

[00:30:23] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:30:24] Troy Van Vliet: And, um, and I’m encouraging you as well. 

[00:30:27] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:30:27] Troy Van Vliet: Because, um, having just lived 

[00:30:29] Scott A. Roy: The farmhouse is [00:30:30] charming, but that only goes so far.

[00:30:32] Troy Van Vliet: Well, yeah, well, it’s needed. It’s definitely needed. I’m, um, you know, seeing firsthand, have lived firsthand, you know, what Catholic education does. 

[00:30:42] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:30:43] Troy Van Vliet: Um, in developing the whole person, uh, of course, um, St. John Paul II, when he was Pope John Paul, he was a massive advocate for, um, Catholic education and, uh, he promoted that, um, hence the name of our school as well. 

[00:30:58] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. [00:31:00] 

[00:31:00] Troy Van Vliet: And, um, I can’t take credit for that that was Archbishop Miller that picked. That picked. So, and he chose wisely. But, um, with the new facility. 

[00:31:09] Scott A. Roy: Hm.

[00:31:10] Troy Van Vliet: Um, I think that’s only going to, it’s one of those things, you need money to build the facility. 

[00:31:15] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:31:15] Troy Van Vliet: You need students that want to go. Um, and its sort of the build it and they will come.

[00:31:22] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, there’s always a little bit of that in there. I, you know, I say we, we do the, uh, bursting at the seams sort of approach. [00:31:30] Uh, but there is always going to be a little bit of the, if you build it cause you, you’re not going to ever just build to what you have. 

[00:31:35] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:31:36] Scott A. Roy: You’re not going to put up a new structure because we can’t fit 40 students in our school currently. I’m not going to build a place for 40 students. 

[00:31:42] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:31:42] Scott A. Roy: I’m going to build a place that can accommodate, you know, more. That’s right. And of course, yeah, that’s for our college, I would say that’s one of the obstacles, two obstacles that we have. And I thank you for bringing us on this podcast because it’ll help with one of them, which is awareness. 

[00:31:56] Troy Van Vliet: Yes.

[00:31:57] Scott A. Roy: Which is not a lot of people know about this [00:32:00] great opportunity that our archdiocese has here in the valley. And, uh, and the second thing is, uh, funding we, you know, we want to find people who believe in what we’re doing. And, uh, and be able to create that, uh, you know, community of patronage that is going to help us achieve this. 

[00:32:18] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:32:19] 

[00:32:19] Scott A. Roy: And people who know what to do, you know, to invest money to be able to, um, build this vision and, uh, and be on board with this vision. 

[00:32:26] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, for sure. For sure. And that’s not to take away from [00:32:30] what it is right now, because what it is right now, I mean, SJP 2 is currently in a small little elementary school from the built in the sixties. I think it was. 

[00:32:43] Scott A. Roy: Right. 

[00:32:43] Troy Van Vliet: Um, and that’s and it’s now being utilized as a small high school. 

[00:32:47] Scott A. Roy: Right.

[00:32:47] Troy Van Vliet: Um, So it’s, uh, yeah, 

[00:32:49] Scott A. Roy: humble beginnings. 

[00:32:50] Troy Van Vliet: Yes. Very humble beginnings, uh, charming, uh, maybe a word to describe it. 

[00:32:54] Scott A. Roy: Um, I like that word. It makes me feel good. 

[00:32:57] Troy Van Vliet: It’s not, uh, and it’s not [00:33:00] something that, um, attracted all families. Like there’s some families that are just like, I just can’t see my kid going to high school here. 

[00:33:06] Scott A. Roy: Ya. 

[00:33:07] Troy Van Vliet: You know, we had challenges with people saying, you know, well, I want them to go to a real high school. And it’s like, well, what is that? What is that? What does that mean? You know, what is a real high school? I mean, I went to high school, there was about 600 students at St. Thomas More when I went there. Um, I think there’s a little bit more than that now, but is that a real high school? Or is a real high school 2,000 students or some of the schools that are 4,000 students? 

[00:33:28] Scott A. Roy: Ya. 

[00:33:28] Troy Van Vliet: What is the, what’s the [00:33:30] definition of a real high school? 

[00:33:30] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, I think we’re, I think we’re looking at when we’re asking that question or trying to, um, just make that statement. I want my child to go to a real high school. We’re talking about almost two different things. 

[00:33:41] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:33:41] Scott A. Roy: You know, like what makes that real, that true education, that true high school, right? So, and there are some things that I would prefer. A humble backdrop to the magnificent education that they’re getting as opposed to a magnificent backdrop and a very humble education, right? [00:34:00] 

[00:34:00] Troy Van Vliet: So that’s something that.

[00:34:00] Scott A. Roy: Or I wouldn’t even call it humble. Uh, you know, lacking. 

[00:34:03] Troy Van Vliet: Our schools are very aware of right now because we’re coming from these humble beginnings. We’re going to be going to this big state of the art campus. And we’ve got an incredible culture right now and we want to keep that culture.

[00:34:14] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:34:15] Troy Van Vliet: And we’re going to have this massive influx. 

[00:34:18] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:34:18] Troy Van Vliet: Of new kids, bringing new families, new ideas, new influences. And, um, and that’s something we want to be the influencer. 

[00:34:28] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:34:29] Troy Van Vliet: And we don’t want to be a [00:34:30] Catholic school in name, we want to be a Catholic school in practice and faith. 

[00:34:32] Scott A. Roy: There’s too many of those.

[00:34:33] Troy Van Vliet: Yes, exactly. So. 

[00:34:34] Scott A. Roy: And one thing that I learned, if I can interject, is with my time with Catholic Christian Outreach, and they were big on, uh, talking about. And obviously they got these from I think the writings of the popes and that on movements and ministries and I would certainly classify any school that is proud of the gospel and looking to impart that into the lives of their students, definitely a ministry. 

[00:34:57] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:34:57] Scott A. Roy: I mean, that’s just, there’s just no two ways about that. [00:35:00] But you need to hold, they need to hold fast to the original Charisms of the founding people. And that tends to when people depart from that you get a very different animal very different creature from what you started out with. Because you’re always chasing the times You’re always chasing something other than that original conviction which made what you were doing worth doing. And I think that’s important no matter whether you’re that small nucleus of uh, you know the community, uh, and then bringing others into is to hold fast to those [00:35:30] original charisms don’t lose sight of what was, uh, what was driving you to do this in the first place.

[00:35:35] Troy Van Vliet: Ya, yes.

[00:35:36] Scott A. Roy: And hand that on to the people that come on after. That was another thing that CCO learned was that a movement will die out if you don’t raise up the next generation of leaders, if you don’t find the people who are going to share that vision that you have. Know the sort of the founding of the school. Then they always taught sort of the original story of how CCO got started to every new person that was [00:36:00] coming in so that, um, so that they could carry on that torch, that vision.

[00:36:05] And even for Catholic Pacific College, one of the best, like I started in 2017, the school was already, you know, I mean, we’re going into our 25th year, which means I’ve missed. 

[00:36:14] Troy Van Vliet: That’s awesome. 

[00:36:15] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, I’ve missed like 18, 17, 18 years of history. Um, and one of the things that we did was bring in one of the founders of the college to tell us the story. And we wanted to hear from him why we started and all that kind of thing. And we have been trying [00:36:30] to hold fast to that forming catholic students that are attending Trinity Western University and not lose sight of that. 

[00:36:36] Troy Van Vliet: Right. That’s so important. So important. I, um, I’m looking forward to actually, I’m very hopeful that the, uh, some of our graduates already will be coming back and teaching at, uh, as SJPII like.

[00:36:49] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, absolutely. Let’s pray. 

[00:36:50] Troy Van Vliet: Hopefully maybe even my daughter, you never know. She’s going in there for psychology. She loves the idea of counseling and things like that. You never know she may end up coming back for that. 

[00:36:58] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. 

[00:36:59] Troy Van Vliet: So, 

[00:36:59] Scott A. Roy: and she’ll be [00:37:00] well equipped from everything that I know. 

[00:37:02] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. In the right way for what we want out of our school, you know, to go and get that Christian base that those, all those fundamentals in there, you’d be able to bring them back and to guide kids. That’s what you want, guiding the kids is people that are living that. 

[00:37:16] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, and I think people underestimate the value of a post secondary education, um, because when I worked up at SFU with CCO, I’d meet with a lot of the young men on campus. And, uh, [00:37:30] and there, when we would talk about, you know, bringing them into faith studies, getting to know their faith better, a huge, like, number of answers that I got back were, oh, I did the Catholic thing. And, uh, what are they referring to that either meant just going through the prep program. 

[00:37:46] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:37:46] Scott A. Roy: Or they meant going to a Catholic high school. 

[00:37:49] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:37:49] Scott A. Roy: And, um, and when it really got in and not all of them said no to it. Some of them did end up coming, we were able to get them to come out to the study. And without fail, every single one of them said, [00:38:00] I didn’t realize how much more there was to my faith. And that is not to knock. 

[00:38:04] Troy Van Vliet: MmHmm. 

[00:38:05] Scott A. Roy: The, uh, the school that taught them originally. 

[00:38:07] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:38:08] Scott A. Roy: Because whether or not, I mean, take that out of the equation, whether it was a good education in their younger years or not, they’re given building blocks. 

[00:38:15] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:38:16] Scott A. Roy: And those building blocks, you know, when you’re younger, you don’t quite know what to do with them, how to arrange them, you know, like. And we’re talking not just faith building blocks or religious building blocks, but all aspects of life. The problem is you get into, [00:38:30] um, a secular university. 

[00:38:31] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:38:32] Scott A. Roy: And they do challenge you on every building block that you’ve ever accumulated in your life. And they go, oh, not that one. This might be the central core of what your family’s been trying to do all your life and they take that, and they go, oh, that doesn’t make any sense in this world, right? Because they’re approaching it. From a point of view, a materialistic point of view, that right from the very beginning says there’s no spiritual world. 

[00:38:58] Troy Van Vliet: Yes.

[00:38:58] Scott A. Roy: So there’s no God, there’s [00:39:00] no, uh, your spirit, there’s no soul, and right then and there they throw out any kind of meaning that God has been trying to give you from the beginning of your life, right? 

[00:39:08] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:39:09] Scott A. Roy: So, this is the importance, and 16 and up, those are your years when you are putting everything together, your reasoning, you’re starting to bring order to all of those blocks that you’ve been given.

[00:39:20] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:39:21] Scott A. Roy: Uh, growing up such an important time. And it is that is the time when most people walk away from their faith is that university age. 

[00:39:28] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:39:29] Scott A. Roy: And they [00:39:30] can’t, you know, put together like Archbishop Miller said in the last one was faith and reason. And that’s the integration that we, you know, we bring about in a Christian education is it’s fully integrated. You are, you’re seeing through theological eyes. And what I mean by that is that God is in every part and has been ordering, that’s the logic part. He has been ordering the world for a purpose. And for you to really know the world, for you to really know science and [00:40:00] all these different things, you have to understand why God created it and what the purpose was for. 

[00:40:05] Troy Van Vliet: MmHmm.

[00:40:06] Scott A. Roy: And that is something that explicitly secular university can never do. So, you in fact are limiting your knowledge about your particular field of study to just totally wipe out the theological aspect of it. 

[00:40:18] Troy Van Vliet: Right. 

[00:40:18] Scott A. Roy: And that’s what we want to give them at, uh, at CPC is that theological lens of how to, well, lens is a bad word because it’s really to be lived. 

[00:40:26] Troy Van Vliet: Hm.

[00:40:26] Scott A. Roy: You don’t just want to think about it and see it that way, you want to [00:40:30] live it that way. 

[00:40:31] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Isn’t that something? Cause in our kids, when they do end up in the, uh, the public universities secular, whatever you want to call it. Um, and, um, it is where the wheels fall off. 

[00:40:44] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:40:45] Troy Van Vliet: It is where, even if you, you know, you’ve had a great, um, uh, foundation, it is where I, where, um, I drifted from my faith as well during those years. And I, 

[00:40:54] Scott A. Roy: mine was around 10th grade, 10, 11. I had a little bit younger. But it is in those years, 16 and [00:41:00] that. 

[00:41:00] Troy Van Vliet: Um, you know, I’m grateful to my parents were always steadfast in their faith and they always, they lived their life as one to, you know, to be emulated for sure. And the school having to be around it and to be, you know, putting my kids in Catholic school again and then you’re around the faith more and you’re seeing how other people are living and then delving into building a new Catholic school because you believe in it has really helped me to revert back to [00:41:30] my faith, thankfully, as well. Um, because you’re just seeing how faith today is just tossed to the side for everything. 

[00:41:40] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:41:40] Troy Van Vliet: And is the destruction of the family when faith is gone. 

[00:41:44] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. 

[00:41:45] Troy Van Vliet: And then when the family falls apart, society falls apart as well, which is, I think we’re in the middle of that right now.

[00:41:53] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:41:53] Troy Van Vliet: Um, and it’s sad, it’s giving us opportunities though, to actually bring people [00:42:00] back. 

[00:42:00] Scott A. Roy: Yes. God works all things for good. 

[00:42:02] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:42:02] Scott A. Roy: And he has that plan. 

[00:42:04] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. And we’re seeing that we’re seeing that in our humble little school and our humble little beginnings. You know, there’s going to be challenges like, yeah, now all of a sudden, we’re going to go from this humble beginning to all of a sudden, we’re the elitist school.

[00:42:17] Scott A. Roy: Right.

[00:42:17] Troy Van Vliet: Really? Now we’ve got to fight that, you know? 

[00:42:19] Scott A. Roy: Ya. 

[00:42:19] Troy Van Vliet: Um, and we have that mandate that we’re not going to turn any kids away for financial reasons. We want to make sure that we end up with enough, um, enough money to make sure that it’s [00:42:30] open for families of all different, um, different levels of financial means.

[00:42:35] We want to make sure that our school is welcoming to all families when it comes to that. Um, because we believe everybody, they need that foundation, they need that. 

[00:42:46] Scott A. Roy: And what a glorious, I think, sort of opportunity for your students to see all of this coming together. And for you, as you said, this has been such a witness in your life. And I think, When I think about this, I think about, again, the virtues, and I think about the way it [00:43:00] habituates us, and it builds us, and it, um, we, uh, we become more integrated in our lives because of it. When you look at just this experience of, well, there’s a virtue for it, it’s called munificence, and that is knowing what to do with large amounts of money and large, like, at this huge task that is for this great purpose. 

[00:43:21] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:43:21] Scott A. Roy: And that is, uh, for God, which is good, you know, to basically, uh, train these children in holiness. 

[00:43:28] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:43:28] Scott A. Roy: And That’s a [00:43:30] huge thing, and what it’s done for you is be able to see all the parts of where maybe you’re challenged with, Hey, just compromise here, just compromise there, and keeping and maintaining that sort of vision all the way through to the orientation of the chapel in your school, which is, just in itself, will speak so loudly but you could have done otherwise.

[00:43:50] And compromised on that. And so, one that affects you personally with every choice and every decision that’s made on the foundation on the board level. 

[00:43:59] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm. 

[00:43:59] Scott A. Roy: Um, [00:44:00] and that will affect every decision that children make in their lives as they see these things. And that is, that is the value and the risk of education, right? Like that, it’s so integrated and the witness that these students will see will bring that out into the rest of their lives.

[00:44:18] Um, and that’s what we want. We want to see that what’s being lived in the college atmosphere or community, sorry, or the high school community is not something that is [00:44:30] different from their, the rest of their experience of life. And I don’t mean that you’re not going to meet, you know, people who aren’t, are non-Christian or non-Catholic.

[00:44:37] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:44:37] Scott A. Roy: But when you do see what life is built around, and that is the Holy Mass, and the liturgical calendar, and, you know, like, are preparing ourselves for lives, you have to see that. in how a school is built. You have to see that in how the subjects are taught there, or else you’re seeing something that is, uh, that is separate and [00:45:00] different.

[00:45:00] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:45:00] Yeah. Exciting. Exciting. And talking about the mass, we are, we have this massive chapel that we’re putting in our school as well, which is great. Massive as in it’s probably the largest in the lower mainland and the Catholic schools. So, over a hundred, 110, I think will fit in there, um, small weddings will be able to have in there because. 

[00:45:20] Scott A. Roy: when we went around the campus there you were telling me about that, and I think that’s a brilliant and a beautiful idea. 

[00:45:26] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:45:27] Scott A. Roy: And I want to steal it too. I do want [00:45:30] our chapel when we build it to be central to the school and beautiful because I mean, we’re a little step closer to towards marriages. 

[00:45:37] Troy Van Vliet: Yes, yes. 

[00:45:38] Scott A. Roy: We often see, and, you know, college and that is often, especially Bible colleges or that kind of thing have been seen as bridal colleges. 

[00:45:45] Troy Van Vliet: Hm.

[00:45:46] Scott A. Roy: And you often. I mean, there is a correlation between, um, people’s first experience at a university, college, uh, as a young adult, and if it’s involved in their, with their faith community there. [00:46:00] They often carry that faith on throughout the entire university experience and then on into the rest of life. I’m, not so sure that it doesn’t have something to do with meeting a girl. 

[00:46:10] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:46:11] Scott A. Roy: You know, who shares your same goals in life. 

[00:46:13] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:46:13] Scott A. Roy: But I think that’d be great to, you know, to have them be able to come back to their college or their high school and be able to be married there and then have a celebration there too. 

[00:46:21] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that’s a, it’s a wonderful thing. I mean, our facility is designed and built to, um, to be a massive community [00:46:30] benefit, you know, to, uh, for, to host events. Um, I mean, we only use the school during the day, during the week, you know, that’s pretty much it. 

[00:46:39] Scott A. Roy: Right. 

[00:46:39] Troy Van Vliet: And then there’s so much weekends, summers, evenings, like there’s so many opportunities to have things. 

[00:46:45] Scott A. Roy: theater there as well, is that correct?

[00:46:47] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Theaters there won’t be finished right away, but the building’s built. So, um. 

[00:46:51] Scott A. Roy: But that’ll be fantastic performances in the evenings and that too. 

[00:46:55] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, we too, we got to raise a little bit more money to get that finished. But, um, the [00:47:00] nice part is because the buildings there and we’re going to have, you know, a few hundred kids going to school there and a few hundred parents, you know, that’ll be coming around going, when’s that going to get done?

[00:47:09] Scott A. Roy: That’s right. Well, you can’t help along with that.

[00:47:12] Troy Van Vliet: Yes, exactly, exactly Well, we’re still in the middle of a capital campaign to get that done. So that’ll be, uh, it’ll be great. We’re looking forward to having our first, not just classes starting there, but next year we’ll be able to have an open house there. 

[00:47:24] Scott A. Roy: Awesome.

[00:47:24] Troy Van Vliet: And, um, to have families come in and actually see the facility and see what we’ve put together there. [00:47:30] It’s um, uh, 

[00:47:30] Scott A. Roy: that’s exciting. 

[00:47:32] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. I’m really excited about that. 

[00:47:32] Scott A. Roy: Very exciting to see it come to fruition. 

[00:47:35] Troy Van Vliet: I already know the families that are going to be starting there in September. They’re going to be excited. They’re going to be like, wow, this is amazing. Um, but to have people that have no idea about the school come in and visit it in an open house. 

[00:47:47] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:47:47] Troy Van Vliet: I’m really looking forward to seeing that. 

[00:47:49] Scott A. Roy: Well, because it has the opportunity to touch so many more different people in the community as well. 

[00:47:54] Troy Van Vliet: Yes. 

[00:47:55] Scott A. Roy: And not just the people that know about it or maybe, or even.

[00:47:57] Yeah. 

[00:47:57] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, yeah. There’ll be a lot of tours, uh, [00:48:00] going on. I’m doing a lot of tours now, every week. You know, bringing new people through the campus to see it and now it’s really showing, you know, like how people can. You don’t have to be a builder to kind of feel the vision, you know, to have the vision of what it’s going to look like. Um now it’s really coming together, so. 

[00:48:17] Scott A. Roy: Well and I think the things to you’ll inspire um other Institutions to do follow a somewhat similar approach to it. 

[00:48:25] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, hopefully. 

[00:48:26] Scott A. Roy: I know already in our conversations together; you’ve given me some [00:48:30] inspiration to maybe view how we’re going to do things with the college as we you know we’re entering, or we are in a fundraising mode as well. 

[00:48:37] Troy Van Vliet: Ya.

[00:48:37] Scott A. Roy: But to look at that different, you know and to bring all the right people into place who have the skills who have the dream the vision and the ability to make this happen, um, and to be thinking about it creatively.

[00:48:50] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Um, yeah, we did some creative financing while we stole it from, you know, some of the other private schools were, 

[00:48:56] Scott A. Roy: Borrowed.

[00:48:57] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. Borrowed it. Yeah. We [00:49:00] observed it and said, Hey, that’s a good idea. Why don’t we do that? And, um, and we have an enrollment deposit right now and what it’s a refundable enrollment deposit. So, um, families will put up 25,000$, um, in equity. And, um, and we hold it while their son or daughter goes through school and then they get it back at the end when it’s done. And what that does is it just gives us a bunch of equity to work with while the, uh, you know, and that helped us get started. 

[00:49:26] Scott A. Roy: I’m taking notes here. Hold on. 

[00:49:27] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. [00:49:30] Um, and, uh, other schools have done that successfully in the past and, um, it helped us get our seed money to get going right away. Um, we had, um, almost a hundred families come up with it really, really quick, right out of the gate. So that gave us, you know, a couple million bucks to work with just to get things going, um, in the beginning, it’s, that’s the toughest part right now the construction is the easy part. 

[00:49:52] Scott A. Roy: Right. 

[00:49:53] Troy Van Vliet: It’s, you know, starting at, you know, taking those first steps right out of the gate. That’s the hard part. And [00:50:00] um, uh, it’s tough, it’s, we get a lot more, it’s a great idea. You get a lot more pushback than you think from people that you think would be your allies.

[00:50:08] Scott A. Roy: Right.

[00:50:08] Troy Van Vliet: Really, I thought you’d be on board with this. 

[00:50:10] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:50:10] Troy Van Vliet: And um, but, um, you know, the further you get down the road, the more support you start getting. 

[00:50:16] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:50:16] Troy Van Vliet: Now we’re getting even more, you know, more support, uh, even if it’s just verbal, it’s like, hey, you know, congratulations. Great job. We needed the school, that type of thing.

[00:50:26] Scott A. Roy: Yes, yeah. 

[00:50:26] Troy Van Vliet: We’re hearing that as opposed to, why do you think we need a school? 

[00:50:29] Scott A. Roy: [00:50:30] Yes, 

[00:50:30] Troy Van Vliet: You know that kind of stuff. 

[00:50:30] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:50:31] Troy Van Vliet: We already have a school in Surrey, you know, and we have four of them in Vancouver and, uh, with less student population there. And we only have one out here. 

[00:50:39] Scott A. Roy: Isn’t that amazing how God raises up somebody like yourself who has, uh, you know, your own experiences that sparked this kind of approach. But has given it to you in such a clear way that it drives you forward and you, you know, like you see past necessary, you know, all of those maybe obstacles that are in the [00:51:00] way and that they’re not, you know, death blowing sort of obstacles, right? Like that maybe I shouldn’t do this. 

[00:51:05] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:51:06] Scott A. Roy: But that may make you think about it like, oh, gee, maybe that’s something I hadn’t thought of, but it’s a clear enough vision that God has given you, uh, that it is, it’s come, you know, like, it’s seen you through. 

[00:51:17] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:51:18] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:51:18] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, it has. I’d be lying if I didn’t tell you that I was, uh, you know, there’s been many a times where I woke up in the night going, what am I doing? Why did I do this? Why did I start this? You know? And [00:51:30] uh, um, but you keep going, you know, it usually it takes, you know, one token and sign of appreciation from somebody and you’re like, okay, we’ll keep going, you know. 

[00:51:39] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:40] Troy Van Vliet: And, uh, there is a bigger picture, there’s a reason why, you know, going through all of this. 

[00:51:45] Scott A. Roy: That’s right.

[00:51:46] Troy Van Vliet: So, um, and it’s a day-to-day challenge, but it’s something that’s, there’s so much meaning and purpose that comes out of it. You know, when you see, we had, um, um, uh, one of our [00:52:00] graduates this year, um, uh, at our open house that was talking to the, uh, the people attending the open houses. So it was, you know, potential students and families are there. 

[00:52:08] Scott A. Roy: Mm-hm.

[00:52:09] Troy Van Vliet: And he was saying, talking about the great experience that he’s had with the school. And, um, how it’s been, uh, such a wonderful experience. And, um, you know, he listed a whole bunch of things. And then he had said, but the one thing that was stands out most, he goes, is I’ve got a chance to explore my faith and I’ve become closer to [00:52:30] Christ and, um, I’m even, uh, looking to get baptized in the spring because he came as a non Catholic. 

[00:52:37] Scott A. Roy: Wow.

[00:52:37] Troy Van Vliet: And it was like, there it is.

[00:52:40] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:52:41] Troy Van Vliet: Right there. That’s why we’re here. 

[00:52:43] Scott A. Roy: Yeah, yeah. 

[00:52:43] Troy Van Vliet: And um, you know, so to hear that was huge. 

[00:52:47] Scott A. Roy: Absolutely. 

[00:52:48] Troy Van Vliet: And, um, I’ll ask you this. 

[00:52:50] Scott A. Roy: Sure. 

[00:52:51] Troy Van Vliet: Scott. Do you have, in your experience, you’ve been there since 2017? 

[00:52:56] Scott A. Roy: 2017. Yeah. 

[00:52:56] Troy Van Vliet: Um, at CPC specifically, is there [00:53:00] something or someone or an experience that you’ve had with a student that maybe stands out that you think, you know what, I saw this transformation or I saw that person’s life turnaround or well, I had an opportunity to guide somebody or? 

[00:53:15] Scott A. Roy: Well, I’m the couple of examples that I’ll give through short and they’re not people that I knew incredibly well or knew that the transformation was there. I certainly I’ll tell you like we don’t get [00:53:30] people have extreme stories and then you know come to faith and then often what you see is young people, 17 years old, I’m sure you encounter them from time to time. 

[00:53:40] Troy Van Vliet: Hm. 

[00:53:41] Scott A. Roy: Uh, 17, 18 year old and they come in and they’re, you know, a little cocky, a little, uh, you know, sort of, um, believe they know everything, you know, this is your typical sort of, and we’ll just, I don’t want to be insulting, but immature young person come in and by the time, you know, those four years go past, or even sometimes it’s after a year transformation, you [00:54:00] can see the difference in the choices they make.

[00:54:03] It is, this is why I do what I do because, I love to see these young people come to maturity in their faith. But also, in their life and knowing the direction that they’re going is different in that even in inside of them is different from the path that they might have chosen. Whether they’re going to the same career or whatever, there’s something different about them.

[00:54:27] And it is inspiring, [00:54:30] um, and there’s maybe not even one thing that you can put your finger on within it to say, that’s a different person, you know. But there are two examples that I can think of, and one was a girl who had already graduated and how I know this is I got to chat with her. One of the first years I was there, we did a video for alumni who had been at the college.

[00:54:50] So it was a promotional video for the college to kind of talk about whose life’s been changed. And she said that she, um, she had, she was going to Trinity Western, didn’t even know that Catholic Pacific [00:55:00] College was there, as she was Catholic by birth. 

[00:55:03] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:55:03] Scott A. Roy: And not, and from her words, nominally Catholic, not really, you know, that involved, and she had friends who were taking courses over at CPC and said, hey, you should take this course. And when she got over there, and then her friends were going to mass, invited her to come, she didn’t even know there was mass on campus or anything like that. 

[00:55:20] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:55:20] Scott A. Roy: And her life was totally transformed by it. And so now she’s in the, in CISPA, she’s a teacher within the Catholic Archdiocese of [00:55:30] Vancouver. 

[00:55:30] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:55:31] Scott A. Roy: Affecting other young people who are there, she’s married, she’s got a family, and she’s living her faith. Uh, you can’t ask for anything, anything better than that. Another young man, um, who, uh, came out of a Catholic high school and, um, his words were, I never thought that theology could change somebody’s life, but it did for me.

[00:55:53] Troy Van Vliet: Wow. 

[00:55:53] Scott A. Roy: And so, just Just, you know, maybe not taking life too seriously, scoffing at, you [00:56:00] know, people who practice their faith and all that kind of thing. And then this young man went on to, uh, do theology at Oxford and, uh, and it really does change lives. And I think because we typically think of theology as a subject. 

[00:56:15] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:56:16] Scott A. Roy: But theology is in the word, it’s typically we say the study of things divine or the study of God, Theo being God. 

[00:56:25] Troy Van Vliet: Hm-mm.

[00:56:25] Scott A. Roy: Logia being the study of, but that word Logia, where we get the word [00:56:30] Logos for the word of God is really this idea of order. And it’s really ordering things, not according to how we are seeing the world. 

[00:56:38] Troy Van Vliet: Ya. 

[00:56:39] Scott A. Roy: But how God sees the world and then we take on that divine perspective and order our lives towards him. That’s what we want our students to walk away with. 

[00:56:47] Troy Van Vliet: Wow. 

[00:56:47] Scott A. Roy: We want them to see every subject that they learn not as an in, you know, a distinct subject in itself. But it’s something that’s in the pattern of God’s providence, you know, in his world. And so, to [00:57:00] see through those theological eyes. So, you can really say theology changed his life. 

[00:57:04] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah, yeah.

[00:57:04] Scott A. Roy: Because we take it and we go, yeah, how’s a theology class going to, you know, change your, it must be a pretty powerful theology class.

[00:57:10] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:57:10] Scott A. Roy: But it certainly was because it’s not what we think, right? 

[00:57:13] Troy Van Vliet: That is fascinating. That is so awesome. And the getting back to the humble campus, the humble. 

[00:57:19] Scott A. Roy: Yeah.

[00:57:19] Troy Van Vliet: Um, you’re getting the best of both worlds at Trinity right now with it.

[00:57:24] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:57:24] Troy Van Vliet: You know, I mean, it can be seen as a massive positive. 

[00:57:27] Scott A. Roy: Ya.

[00:57:27] Troy Van Vliet: Because the Trinity campus [00:57:30] is pretty impressive, it’s a beautiful campus. 

[00:57:31] Scott A. Roy: Yes 

[00:57:31] Troy Van Vliet: it’s a beautiful setting. And we’ve got the humble side over here. 

[00:57:35] Scott A. Roy: The familial setting really is what it becomes. 

[00:57:37] Troy Van Vliet: Yes. You’re going back and forth between the two campuses every day. 

[00:57:42] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[00:57:42] Troy Van Vliet: And, um.

[00:57:43] Scott A. Roy: It is actually a fear, to be honest with you, like a fear and I say that. You know, the fear.

[00:57:47] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[00:57:48] Scott A. Roy: It’s not really a huge fear, but that if we build something new or when we build something new, that it loses that familial sort of feeling. And, uh, and really, I think we can say that it’s not those walls, [00:58:00] uh, you know, or the steps every five feet that, you know, from the years of additions and stuff like that. 

[00:58:06] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:58:06] Scott A. Roy: It’s not that that makes it familial, but the people, it really is the people. 

[00:58:10] Troy Van Vliet: It is. 

[00:58:10] Scott A. Roy: And, uh, who gather together around the Eucharist, uh, and then go out and study and, uh, and, you know, go, uh to go karting or whatever it is that they’re doing, you know for events and that kind of thing.

[00:58:22] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:58:22] Scott A. Roy: Um that they’re really getting a great dose of that family aspect of our faith [00:58:30] that community aspect of our faith, which is so important, um that lived experience. And I would say just that, you know, while I say seeing that transition between the student is something that we wake up in the morning for, right? Is, that’s what drives us to get out of bed is to see that transition in that student’s live, uh, life.

[00:58:53] But it’s to start Catholic families, we want to see them, you know, either populate the religious life or [00:59:00] start Catholic families, knowing what they’re doing. 

[00:59:03] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:59:04] Scott A. Roy: Knowing that the most important thing is to educate their family in the faith, and to build those little domestic churches, um, that reinforce what you’re doing. 

[00:59:14] Troy Van Vliet: Mm-hm.

[00:59:14] Scott A. Roy: You know, like the, at the education at the younger, where they can see not just what the staff and students are doing at the high school or the elementary school. They go home to families who know what they’re being taught. 

[00:59:26] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[00:59:27] Scott A. Roy: You know and live that out in their lives. I mean, what a [00:59:30] robust economy of salvation that, uh, using that for a context. But, um, just an economy going on there, 

[00:59:37] Troy Van Vliet: There is. 

[00:59:37] Scott A. Roy: Uh, for, uh, for the student and the effect that it will have on their lives. We need this. We actually need this. 

[00:59:43] Troy Van Vliet: We totally need this. It is a way of life that is, that no matter what life throws at you, then you’ve got the tools to get through it. 

[00:59:50] Scott A. Roy: Yes.

[00:59:50] Troy Van Vliet: Um, it’s huge. Father Augustine was, uh, on one of our earlier podcasts. He, uh, he talked about, um, at star of [01:00:00] the sea, how in the last two years they’ve had, they’ve baptized 40 kids that were already in star of the sea. So, he came. 

[01:00:08] Scott A. Roy: Wow. 

[01:00:09] Troy Van Vliet: And he’s like, so let me look at the roster here of all the, he’s like, we’ve got all these Catholic families. He goes; there’s a bunch that aren’t baptized in here. What’s going on here? 

[01:00:17] Scott A. Roy: Wow. 

[01:00:17] Troy Van Vliet: And he went out and he reached out to every, every one of these parents. 

[01:00:21] Scott A. Roy: How beautiful is that? 

[01:00:22] Troy Van Vliet: And then, and then some of them that weren’t Catholic still got baptized. And now there’s, I think, 25 [01:00:30] parents that are getting baptized. 

[01:00:31] Scott A. Roy: Wow. 

[01:00:32] Troy Van Vliet: So here is. 

[01:00:33] Scott A. Roy: Look at that one action by this one priest, 

[01:00:35] Troy Van Vliet: One priest. 

[01:00:36] Scott A. Roy: Who just steps in there and goes outside of the Ordinary, you know like what he’s required to do. He just goes in there and he goes. 

[01:00:43] Troy Van Vliet: he’s like you’re in a catholic school Why are you here? He goes you need to be baptized, you know. And he’s led this and these we’ve got kids and parents that have been crying during the ceremonies, you know that they’re so happy and overwhelmed. That’s like you said, that’s one guy. But that is the school [01:01:00] helping to build the church. 

[01:01:02] Scott A. Roy: Yeah.

[01:01:03] Troy Van Vliet: Whereas quite often we’ve seen it as that these churches, they’re helping to build the school. 

[01:01:08] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. 

[01:01:09] Troy Van Vliet: And they become a drain on the church. 

[01:01:11] Scott A. Roy: Yeah.

[01:01:11] Troy Van Vliet: It’s like, well wait a minute, that means we’re not doing something right, cause these schools are not, 

[01:01:16] Scott A. Roy: An end in themselves. 

[01:01:17] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah. 

[01:01:18] Scott A. Roy: They’re meant for a greater purpose. 

[01:01:20] Troy Van Vliet: Absolutely. 

[01:01:20] Scott A. Roy: And too often they become an end in themselves, and we just got to keep the school going. And that means we need to, you know, make all these adjustments just to keep it going rather [01:01:30] than looking at it and saying, how do we help the church grow? And you know, yeah. 

[01:01:35] Troy Van Vliet: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Scott, that it was fantastic chat. 

[01:01:41] Scott A. Roy: As always. It was wonderful to meet with you again. 

[01:01:43] Troy Van Vliet: Thank you, thank you. Yeah.

[01:01:44] Scott A. Roy: The only thing we should get a cup of coffee later or next time. 

[01:01:46] Troy Van Vliet: And yeah, exactly. We’ll do that. And we’ll definitely have you back to because we want, we want to hear more about what’s going on and 

[01:01:54] Scott A. Roy: well. And I love being a part of this just so, you know I really appreciate that you’re doing this and I [01:02:00] know you’re talking about Catholic matters. 

[01:02:02] Troy Van Vliet: Yeah.

[01:02:02] Scott A. Roy: And that 

[01:02:03] Troy Van Vliet: Catholic education matters. Ya.

[01:02:05] Scott A. Roy: And that it really does it really does matter, and I think that’s an important thing for us to be able to see is what does that matter to me in my life?

[01:02:12] So it’s not just staying up in that head world, you know like that we see that I need to do this, and I need this forming my life and that’s so it’s awesome. I’m so happy to be part of this. Yeah. 

[01:02:25] Troy Van Vliet: Thank you. Thank you. And I also have to remind everybody that has [01:02:30] joined us that were on YouTube and not quite yet on Rumble, but also on the, you can listen to the podcasts on Spotify, Apple, and there’s a few other ones that are out there as well.

[01:02:42] So you can look for us not just on YouTube. So, thank you all for joining us. And be sure to join us again for our next episode. All right. Thanks, Scott. 

[01:02:51] Scott A. Roy: Yeah. Thank you. 

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